The protests against Kosovo’s declaration of independence reached Belgrade today when rioters attacked the U.S. Embassy:
(CNN) — Violence broke out Thursday as tens of thousands of Serbs protested Kosovo independence and reportedly set fire to the facade of the U.S. embassy in Belgrade, according to news agencies.
Riot police fired tear gas at Serb rioters as protesters wearing masks broke into the embassy.
U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said; “We are in contact with the Serbian government to ensure that they devote the appropriate assets to fulfill their international obligations to help protect diplomatic facilities in this case.”
The embassy was closed and not staffed, a U.S. official told CNN. The United States was among the first countries to offer official recognition of independent Kosovo.
The violence was part of a much bigger, peaceful demonstration where up to 150,000 people chanted ‘Kosovo is Serbia,” and vowed to never accept the province’s independence.
Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica, who earlier addressed the rally, said “Kosovo is Serbia’s first name.” He called the declaration of independence last Sunday illegal and said will do all he can to get it annulled.
Anything ? The last time a Serbian said that in connection with a former province of Yugoslavia, we ended up with a civil war that killed tens of thousands. Kostunica may be as bombastic as Milosevic was, but I don’t know that he has either the will or the means to translate his words into actions.
Update: Welcome to all the people who’ve left comments here. Additional updates on the Kosovo situation are listed below:
As Goes Kosovo, So Goes Quebec ?
Russia: Force Not Ruled Out In Kosovo Crisis
More Serbian Violence In Kosovo
The Death, Finally, Of Yugoslavia
February 21st, 2008 at 3:17 pm
In a word, the previous comment is lame. Hey, let’s let the New World Order constrict us right under our noses without a word of protest. And for good measure let’s ridicule Serbs for not relinquishing what is guaranteed to them by numerous international treaties and protocols.
What Bush, Clinton, et al and those they serve determine is best for themselves, we should acquiesce and convince ourselves it was best for us anyway. To do what the Serbs must do in this critical point in their history is simply too much work for apathetic nations.
February 21st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
If the Kosovars don’t want to be part of Serbia, why shouldn’t they have the right to leave ?
February 21st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
what jerks Serbia are!! they went in and slaughtered innocent human beings way back when! and they cannot tell anybody that Slobodan did it by himself! he needed people to help him to do, the military, his government, nobody was innnocent in that. they killed over 10,000 people! they have EVERY right to delcare themselves independent. i think it’s more of it national identity then the fact that they need international support to even think that they could stay afloat. who cares about the Serbs living there? Serbia is big enough that they can hold them all anyway! they have no right at all to complain about this!
February 21st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Why don’t native americans leave america? Because Doug America is their land, and kosova or as it used to be called dardania it is a kosovar land. It was given to serbia in 1913 by the great powers the same powers that recognized the independence. They used to be called Dardan maybe you need to open some history books and read about balkan
February 21st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
If the Serbians in the 4-5 provinces of Kosovo where they are a majority want to leave Kosovo, they can do that. Or, perhaps the borders need to be adjusted to conform to ethnic reality.
That doesn’t mean that the majority of Kosovo, which wants nothing to do with Belgade, should be forced to be part of a government they don’t consent to.
February 21st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
It is the true face of the Serbian goverment. They do not change. They are nothing else but Millosevic in a diferent name. They recognise only violence. I think the west should isolate tehjm for 20 more years and let Russia support them. it is ridiculous to think that they can commit genocide and have it just swept under the rug. Kosovo deserves its indipendence and the US should post marines in the embassy and protect it. We should not be lenieint towards state sponsored terrorism
February 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
The embassy burning has little to do with protests and all to do with certain soccer hooligan groups settling scores with the police. The police not only arrested a number of officials of the two biggest soccer teams in Belgrade on corruption charges but made a show out of it, filming the arrests with their own cameras and distributing the footage to the media. This, along with several other things, pissed off certain hooligan groups, who receive money and various perks from their soccer teams, so they have been looking to settle the score with the police.
This is just the latest of the riots that have been going on throughout the week, only this time they were more successful because the police was stretched thin.
BTW, for those who say that Kosovars should be allowed their independence I say that I’m all for it (altough I’m a Serb). But then let’s allow other people to do the same. There is 69 other quasi-independent territories in the world that are fighting for the same right, that are ignored by the US and EU. This includes Serbian territories in Bosnia and Croatia, which were not allowed the same choice now allowed to Kosovo. It’s this sort of double standard that is the main issue in Serbia, not the fact that Kosovo wants to be independent.
February 21st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
If Kosovo has right to declare independence I do not see the reason that Serbs on north of Kosovo and Bosnian Serb do the same. How menu brutal systems is imposed on minorities in the world. Sadam for example toward Shi’ite and Kurds in the past or Israel toward Palestinians today. Do they deserve independence? That will never happen because dally politics, not international law are important (biggest problem of US foreign policy). Not respecting international law, only force unfortunate is well accepted massage in Belgrade.
Khoen on CNN is tolking obout rule of law. Who is breaking the international law!!!!
February 21st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
OK, here’s a short explanation from me. I am Serb, but not that proud to be one…
The most important thing, that no one seems to remember is that Serbs were a majority in Kosovo, until Albanians made 250.000 Serbs leave Kosovo and go to Serbia as a refugees. They burned Serbian houses, demolished cemeteries and even destroyed Serbian (Christian) churches! I mean, what kind of people are they? They are destroying 1.000 years old churches even when all the Serbs are already gone from there. There are many videos of this savage destruction (search youtube for it).
Now, sure that Serbs are minority there - when they all are out from Kosovo.
One more thing: In all of the wars that happened here Serbs were guilty for ethnic cleansing, but there’s one strange thing - the only nation that was made to leave home and run, were Serbs - from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia… Also, ALL of the refugees came TO SERBIA! How’s that ethnic cleansing when you have your people run from other country back to you???
Again, I’m not in any way politically involved, or anything like that, neither this bothers me as a Serb, just that this information is always missing in news and reports from Serbia, so here it is for all of you to get the idea of what is going on here.
Greetings to all, and as that Turk once said:
I kiss you!
hehe
February 21st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Moste people that suport independence justify it by soeaking about genocide , war crimes against Albanians in Kosovo, and about that Albanians are majority there. Let us suppose that that is right. Whay they west thid not recognised Krajna in 1990? About 1 milion serbs were kiled in concentration cams over Croatia in WWII and they were big majority there? Or should U.S give some parts of U.S to hispanic americans because they are majority there. Or to give independence to American Indians because of etnic cleansing agains them.
February 21st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Moste people that suport independence justify it by speaking about genocide , war crimes against Albanians in Kosovo, and about that Albanians are majority there. Let us suppose that that is right. Whay they west thid not recognised Krajna in 1990? About 1 milion serbs were kiled in concentration cams over Croatia in WWII and they were big majority there? Or should U.S give some parts of U.S to hispanic americans because they are majority there. Or to give independence to American Indians because of etnic cleansing agains them.
February 21st, 2008 at 4:58 pm
By recognizing independent Kosovo, the rules in the world just changed, and any separatist movement who has powerful friends, can effectively succeed in becoming an independent country. United Nations do not matter and current rules put in place after two world wars, designed to prevent just this type of behavior, do not matter. In this case, it’s puny, week Serbia, who cannot resist this, is an easy target. Not unlike Czechoslovakia in 1938 when Hitler decided to have a piece of it, and noone dared to stand up and say no. Nowdays, Serbia is the country which got rid of its dictator 8 years ago, and is a democratic country, still gets punished. Needles to say this type of event just lit up another barrel of gun powder in the Balkans, and you can already see what all the hotheads are doing because of it.
But tomorrow, who can say no to people in Scotland who want to get away from UK, or to the people in Basque who want to secede from Spain, or people in another 100 countries around the world who have problems with separatists? Why are Albanians and Serbians so much different? How many of these splits would be peaceful and how many would result in anarchy, violence, or wars? Who knows, but what happened last Sunday with Kosovo is a sad day for the world, and yet once again Bush administration proves that its decisions are catastrophic for the planet as a whole, including the US, because once the dominos start falling, you never know how things may end up.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
It’s only a matter of time before Southern California declares either independence or to be part of Mexico. When that happens, then we here in the US will know what the Serbs are going through. Tito gave the Albanian shiptars too many rights in Kosovo and now look. And Italy is approving this! What cowards!
February 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Petar Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
OK, here’s a short explanation from me. I am Serb, but not that proud to be one…
????????
Pa sto onda u opste pokusavas da objasnis bilo kome i bilo sta ? ? ? ? ?
February 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
If the US Gov. is so devoted to matter of freedom for all nations, then why US Gov. didn’t accept the fact that Dakota Indians announced last month that they want to create their own country and sparate their lands (lands which US had took from them by force) from the USA? If United States want to make order in other countries, then perhaps USA should show good example on their own territory and give those Dakota Indians what they want and what they have right to demand. The same thing is with territory that the USA took from Mexico in the XIX century. It’s easy to force small others nations (like Serbia is) to make own politics, but when your country face the same problem, then you’re not so eager to do what you demands from others. Why? Becouse that injure your own business? I think that in the case like that, you’re wrong and this is injustice. Especially that many countries are against that, so the UN didn’t take decision yet. It’s really sorry to say, because in many case the USA is right, but to many times this country makes itself “world’s gendarme” -not everybody wants your help and order of things.
But I wish you well, this is just my opinion about this and similar cases, and I’m not your enemy. Live long and prosper.
Artur (Poland)
PS. Sorry for my english, but I didn’t manage this language lika I wish to manage.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Do you know some writer, singer, musician, sportiest, scientist, anyone significant for humanity, from Kosova or Albania? They have money from drug business and terrorist as president. You want them to travel without visas, freely all over the world. You want them to be your neighbors, collegues, friends… In future we all will pay the price of Kosova Independency..
February 21st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
And why didn’t they have similar criteria for Palestinian and Serbian in Bosnia. Similar things were happen at October fifth when Milosevic was down and then nobody didn’t have a comment. Serbian government didn’t support that violence.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Why don’t you start using your mind and see that unilateral Kosovo independence is a violation of the International Law, violation of the UN Conventions? It’s clear that the US interests here are far from the “let’s-bring-Peace-to-Kosovo”. THE US BASE IS LOCATED IN KOSOVO - THAT’S WHY THEY SUPPORTED KOSOVO. What if tomorrow Alaska says that it wants to separate, because in the XIX century it was a Russian territory? DON’T GIVE ME THIS BULLSHIT DOUBLE STANDARD. KOSOVO MUST BE THE PART OF SERBIA. THERE’S NO NEED TO CREATE THE SECOND ALBANIAN COUNTRY, YOU NARROW-MINDED BRAIN-WASHED idiots! Besides, there are about 100 000 Serbs in KOSOVO. Can you guess what their life is going to turn into after this pseudo-independence?
February 21st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
It is ugly what’s happened in Belgrade.
But…this is only a consequence.
American ambassador in UN ask for condemnation, sovereign territory (of USA) was attacked (in Belgrade), he said. True. But, just a few days ago, he was asking for cleavage of one sovereign country (Serbia). Where is a difference? Whose sovereignty are much valuable?
I’d really like to know what would be an reaction, if Serbia, for example, asks for independence of Texas? As I know, Texas was a part of Mexico once, and native was Indians…
And those ones who wanna really talk about Kosovo and relations among Serbs and Albanians should, at least, read something and inform themselves. If don’t, risk to be as stupid as Valerie.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:42 pm
As someone mentioned above, the burning of the embassy was done by soccer supporters(who were mostly drunk teenagers).
It was estimated that circa 150.000 people joined the protest, and those people can be seen in front of the temple, praying(but CNN didnt put that footage). What we do see in fact, is 100 drunk adolescents ravaging the US embassy.
I would like to ask CNN why does it always put the worst possible image when it concerns the countries of ex-Yugoslavia(but mainly Serbia)?
February 21st, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Greetings from Montenegro (smallest Serbian state )
My opinion is that today WW3 started. KOSOVO JE SRBIJA. End of story.
P.S.
Dragi Petre, ti Srbina nisi vidio ni na slici.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I don’t quite understand why some people associate the whole nation with some idiots going berserk. I also don’t quite understand why some people lecture about remote parts of the world they have never been close to. What soap does your government wash your brains with?
I am from Hungary (it’s a country in Europe and Serbia is one of our southern neighbours) but I would never dare to make such biased judgements on the topic. The history of the Balkans is more complicated than a Hollywood blockbuster’s plot.
Comments like these fuel the type of arrogance stupid Europeans associate with every American.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
To Velibore
Crna gora jes malena al je casna i postena !!!
February 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Similar things were happen at October fifth when Milosevic was down and then nobody didn’t have a comment. Ideas for that things came from American movies. Serbian government didn’t support that violence. I hope that America will have similar politics for Serbian in Bosnia and Kurds in Turkey.
February 21st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
pazi,
kako celom svetu na engleskom objasniti da si iz Vojvodine? Jesam srbin na papiru, ali ni slucajno se ne osecam kao srbin
February 21st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Ok
Ali to drugi ne moraju da citaju !
Napisao si super cinjenice ,ali nemoj da pises da nisi ponosan sto si Srbin jer svi ovi ljudi koji citaju ovo ,a misli se na Amere,Engleze,Nemce,Francuze su veliki nacionalisti .
Nacionalista - znaci da volis svoj narod i drzavu i nista vise ( pogledaj u recniku ) .
Ja glasam stalno za demokrate ,ali ovde sada moramo da stanemo kao 1 !!!
February 21st, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Ono si šta osjećaš. Ako ti je žao glavu dati za Kosovo i Srpstvo nemamo šta da pričamo. Kosovo nije zemlja, to su velikomučenici kosovski, Lazar, Miloš… Za maleno je Carstvo zemaljsko. Slušaj riječi đakona Avakuma
Srb je Hristov raduje se smrti
Nema ljepše vjere od hrišćanske
Ili jesi ili nisi LAVE
February 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Gergely
Thank u for trying to explane the situation here !
February 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I live next door to USA embassy .It was not as scary as it was shown on CNN.
I understand U are angry for burning of USA flag, but U must understand it is not like we burnt monasteries from 13th century or we killed about ¾ of million of Iraqis.
Isn t it?
February 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Using the argument that Kosovo should be its own independent country because the people are a different ethnicity, does that mean the southwestern states can secede from the US because they will be 90% Hispanic in 2100.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Tulsa,
Don’t you understand it — the Kosovars don’t want to be part of Serbia. It has nothing with them being a separate ethnic group, and everything to do with their wanting to control their own destiny.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:19 pm
1. there’s around 107 orthodox monasteries and churches destroyed by albanians since KFOR (UN forces) arrived on kosovo in ‘99 and large number of it before then (some even built in 13th and 14th century)…
2. around 450.000 serbs left kosovo since ‘99 when UN (read NATO) forces came to keep ‘peace’ (kosovo have population of 2.000.000 people)…
3. reason for NATO campaign (or NATO aggression how are we call it in serbia) was killing of 45 albanians in place called rachak, but in your western medias it was never mention that those people were full armed terrorists killed in attack on serbian military (and of course why it should be ’cause they were armed with weapons given to them by american & other governments and every time when international tribunal for war crimes in haggue try to investigate some crime commited by the albanian terrorist’s usa block that investigation in security council)…
4. for that girl ana who claims that kosovo is belonging to serbia since 1913, i need to tell you that serbs are living on kosovo since 7th century (that’s around four time older then usa)…
5. the largest battle in serbian history had happened on 28.06.1389. against turkish’s for (guess what?) kosovo! we’re lost that battle and turkish’s had ruled on us for 5 centuries… we were paying muslim taxes called harach and for all that time they’ve destroyed less monasteries and churches than albanians for few years (now tell me who’s savage here?!)…
6. war in bosnia officially started with killing of one serb on serbian wedding in sarajevo… i’m connecting this cuz half of albanians have fought on muslim and croatian side in that war…
7. your medias were showing to you how serbs are bombing hospitals and things but they’ve not told you that from that hospital muslim’s were shooting on serbs and then run away, after that camerman capture serbian bombing of hospital and you watch only that part of the story (very simple, isn’t it?)…
8. i agree that kosovar’s should have their independence but only if republic of srpska (almost half of bosnia) and hundreads of other regions have their own freedom, not only kosovo…
9. we have survived under ottoman empire for 5 centuries, also survived ww1 and ww2 (we were on the same side in both wars with you and albanian’s were part of hitler’s ss throops) and a lot of other wars and every time we came out as winners with smile on loosers ashes (i hope it won’t happen to you but if you don’t change your politic on us… well i’m not sure)…
10. @ voislav - please don’t lie to them and stop licking their ass, that was direct attack on usa and your politic on serbia, it’s just most of the crowd are really soccer hooligans, trust me, i was in that crowd till two hours ago and there’s still a lot of violence on streets in belgrade (on serbian: sta im se uvlacis u bulju govedo izdajnicko i ldp-ovsko)…
February 21st, 2008 at 6:23 pm
And one thing about Iraq. 25 years ago when Saddam make war against Iran, the USA helped Saddam. Rumsfeld himself took trip to visit Saddam in Iraq. And Americans didn’t protest when Saddam butcher Kurds and Iraqis. In that days Saddam was good to America, because they used him in their politics against Iran. And they didn’t give damn what Saddam’s regime doing in Iraq. So this is justice by the USA?
February 21st, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Doug Mataconis
Did any one asked Indians,Hispanic or African American people about their whishes?
February 21st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I think that nowhere can exists a state which is going on well, if their politicians and citizens equate the terms of state and nation. If we do this can almost half of european countrys divide themself … Bask and Catalonians in Spain, Basks in France, the North Irish and Scots in the UK, Belgium, Turks in Germny, Tyroleses in Italy and many others. And I believe this is not only a problem in Europe. However, a danger is bigger if there is a good ewample which is effective. Just rebember on last wishes of Palestins.
But, please don’t forget that this situation brings many positive sites to America and I suppose that America files up many of this problems just because of its benefits.
Greetings from Slovenia!
In pozdrav vsem z Balkana - upam, da se za vse dobro uredi.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Doug,
Kosovars (actually, ethnic Albanians who live in Kosovo, southern province of Serbia) have right not to want be a part of Serbia.
Because they are a national minority, they can to move in Albania, where are they originally from, if they don’t like to live under democratic rules valid for everyone.
Ethnic minority have no right to declare independence. Or, those right should be recognized for every national minority.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Imagine,even Serbs of Monte Negro do not want to live with their fellow brothers from Serbia that is why they became an independent country,why should anyone else live under Serbia?If any of you had done the history homeworks well would see that Albanians did not take anything from Serbs they just got back what was taken from them.By the way Pebble do you know Mother Theresa,her real name is Gonxhe Bojaxhiu,the greatest humanist of all time,she was Albanian!
You have some actors in Hollywood too,but what do you know! i see you know pnothing
February 21st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Doug Mataconis,
OK. The Kosovars don’t want to be part of Serbia, Dakota Indians don’t want to be part of USA. Did some US heroes in American history not massacred Indians (col. Custer for example)?
The Palestinians don’t want to be part of Israel. Kurds don’t want to live in Iraq or Turkey? Why America don’t see that? Tey not deserve to have own country? Or maybe it not get along with American business?
Serb,
You’ve right.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
elpi
why they became an independent country,why should anyone else live under Serbia?
Because u give drug mony (dope) to few Monte N. gov. people and did the job for u !!!!!!!
Serbs in Monte Negro will never be calm about Kosovo and u know that !
February 21st, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Artur, America doon’t want to see that. Or sees, but just puts fires all arund the world, makes other blinds of their own problems and plays a big boss. America id affraid of that democracy will become world wide, so they won’t have any reson of fight anymore. So, make chaos, and then be a saver.
February 21st, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Did u know that 90% of Albanian profit is from drug ( dope ) business !!!
They are the no 1 distributors for EU and they are present in US .
That mone was used for all this !!!
February 21st, 2008 at 6:55 pm
@ elpi
montenegro was one of two republics (second is serbia) connected in a federation once called Federative Republic of Yugoslavia so they’ve had their rights to disconnect from that federation and kosovo is part of serbia so they (probably you) don’t have right to declare independency…
mother theresa is albanian… xaxaxa… that’s funny… i agree that she was born on kosovo, but that she was albanian… xaxaxa… i don’t think so
February 21st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
What they did attacking US ambacy was very stupid!But that was the 0.000001% of people,some drunk teenagers and offcuorse,western media just waited shit like that to happend cuz they dont wanna talk about 500000 people praying in silent in front of curch,that’s just not interesting!I LOVED USA when I was a child but then I lived through bombarding and that wasnt fun!Why the fuck they always have to interfere in everything?!And I am horrified that people can just be so stupid and full of prejudice like Valerie!I’m sorry honey but you’re really stupid!HOw would you feel if your neighbour comes in your house and lock himself in your bedroom saying it’s his now?And then someone comes and slaps you in the face and sais that your neighbour has every right to say that?How would you feel?I’m LDP,I’m NGO activist and I’m proud to be Serb cuz for the first time in my life I see things the way they are!
February 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Just one thing:dont change my comment!Someone has a right to call me a jerk so I have right to call him/her stupid!:)))
February 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pm
I thought Serbia was already a democracy of sorts, and if so, why would we encourage another breakaway province.? isn’t it enough that we are fighting several battles in iraq and on terrorisum without adding to the hate for us by antagonizing Serbia. if our government personel are not busy enough, or have become particulaly sadic then something is wrong and this is no longer a government for and by the people.
February 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pm
If the Yugoslav government was truly representative and cared for the civil rights of everyone - and maybe if they ceded more local governing power to the regional governments….then maybe Kosovars would have proudly voted to remain part of Yugoslavia. But they saw the thuggish way Serbs treated Bosnians and Croats, in addition to their own suffering. Why is it a shock that they want self determination? Let the Serbs govern Serbia and the Kosovars govern Kosovo. The reason the USA has remained intact (and even added states) is because we have basic civil rights in our constitutional amendments that are enforced by the court system. If Yugoslavia held similar rights dear, hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive, and the Yugoslav confederation would thrive. But the Serbian thugs ruined it all. Such a shame. I still remember the 1984 Olympics and how wonderful it was to be in united Yugoslavia.
February 21st, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Sarah,
I really have hope, that USA is not as bad as you wrote -they simply defend their own business. All countries doing that. I can understand that, but that not means that I liked this way. US always using propaganda about bring democracy to other countries. IMHO it’s very unfair because, in case like that, they (like many other countries, including mine) have unclear conscience too.
February 21st, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Serb
Tereza rođena u Makedoniji, Albanka.
Pozdrav
Dogodine u Prizrenu!
February 21st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
500,000 plus peopple flock to Belgrade for huge rally and mass and CNN , FOX and others spend all there coverage on a groups of trouble makers setting a flag on FIRE. coverage all about a small group. Meantime the huge peaceful protests ignored. I agree with Vioslav that let all sepertion movements take place, pull serbs regiosn in Kosovo, Bosnia nd Croatia back into Serbia and leave all the ALbanians to kill each other. I have visited Serbia and Croatia 4 times over the past 3 years and see a Serbia rushing to modernize and become a prt of EU.NOw along comes UN and NATO and they grab Kosovo from them. Serbians tell me that they not so upset to loose ALbanians but way it was done and wanted a compromise. If UN and NATO want seperation movement good luck as countries splinter across the world.
February 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm
I so hate USA and all americans. Go out from Europe!! What do you do in our continent??? Nobody wants you here! Antiamericanism is growing every day and it is only because your behaviour. Few decades ago you were symbol of freedom. Now you are stupid agressive occupants. Now you want make defense system in my country against our slavic brothers (Russia).. 70% czech people dont want it here. But you paied lot of money to our goverment. This is a democracy? And now Kosovo… What you think will happen? I think that Slavic countries will united and you will have big problem. I dont want war with you but go out from our countries, you stopped to be welcome here also as a tourists. You are like nazis in WWII. Watch Czechoslovakia (Munchen 1938) and Serbia (2008)…
February 21st, 2008 at 8:01 pm
I must agree with Gergely. I am a Serb, very saddened by what the hooligans did today. It is unfortunate, but a reality, that these kinds of acts get associated with the whole nation. I hope that the rest of the world will be able to see that the drunken gangs always use the opportunity to express their anger in a misdirected manner, and that their behavior is not a result of any patriotic or political persuasion, but merely an act of violence during highly vulnerable times for Serbia. If they were true patriots, they would do what is best for Serbia and be peaceful, polite, and friendly…
February 21st, 2008 at 8:13 pm
e jebiga
February 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Serbs have always used violence to solve problems and the attack on the embassies is just another example. Also, get over the middle age myths of battles and nationalism. Look to the future, thats where the Albanians are looking now.
Long Live Kosova
February 21st, 2008 at 8:24 pm
The whole world knows mother Teresa was Albanian, only a Serb in denial would say she is not.
February 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm
It is unfortunate what the KIDS did today…thats all they are,KIDS. Half of the demonstratores were not over the age of 20. Their making an image for a country who doesn’t support them.In every country there are right wing extreamists and it’s unfortunate how such a small group of people portrays the image of a whole country.
I’m not going to say that all Albanians are bad, just because their are a few who are complete nationalists.In the same way, don’t associate every single Serbian under ONE group of people.
Also, just because muslims have children like rabbits it and they outnumbered the population in Kosovo, it doesn’t mean that it’s their country.The same thing will happen in Montenegro,they’ll take over.
February 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Ben says:
Long Live Kosova…
with you in it!
February 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Ben,
How can Albanians look in the future when they are in war for territory? The whole world is going to the future, developing science and culture, but they are fighting for territories!
They are only bringing themselves like 500 years to the past!
February 21st, 2008 at 9:53 pm
americans, i must say that is a sad to be serb this night when the belgrade is burnin’, embassy is attacked, violence was all over the main city, and after all, one burned body is find out in embassy..its not a real picture of serbia becouse that is a ‘work” of a 200-300 huligans which is not all serbia and that is not mean that every citizen of this state is thinkin like them…
February 21st, 2008 at 10:06 pm
how can you say that these are isoltaed hooligan groups. This is state sponsored terrorism. You should recognised your past and embrace the future which includes Serbia in the EU and also Kosovo in the EU. Give up your nationalistic views. Albanians were tortured and murdered and raped and their houses burned and their places of worshiped destroyed . You want to say that NATO did that. Well there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. The serbian paramilitaries and regulartroops did that. So you lost the moral ground for Kosova. Besides you only stole it in 1913 during the conference in London. So please get on with your lives. you have always been good at blaming someone else but now the people are wiser and they know your true face. Letthe past be and extend the hand of friendship. Remeber your wicked ways and repent for that is the only way to salvation. May our lord Jesus give kosovars a bight future for they ahve suffered enough.
February 21st, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Wow@@@ the ignorance of the majority of the comments on this board is simply amazing…just one word to you folk, we all reap what we sow. This is far from over, maybe the beggining of the end for some of you.
February 21st, 2008 at 11:44 pm
To all of you that think America is idiotic country. Look at this: Serbs started the wars in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo, and now against embassies. They also did arms business with Saddam Hussein when he was in power. They are sided with Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, just what they want to have an isolated crime world. Shame on you Serbs!
February 21st, 2008 at 11:46 pm
# Rickie Lee Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
500,000 plus peopple flock to Belgrade for huge rally and mass and CNN , FOX and others spend all there coverage on a groups of trouble makers setting a flag on FIRE. coverage all about a small group. Meantime the huge peaceful protests ignored. I agree with Vioslav that let all sepertion movements take place, pull serbs regiosn in Kosovo, Bosnia nd Croatia back into Serbia and leave all the ALbanians to kill each other. I have visited Serbia and Croatia 4 times over the past 3 years and see a Serbia rushing to modernize and become a prt of EU.NOw along comes UN and NATO and they grab Kosovo from them. Serbians tell me that they not so upset to loose ALbanians but way it was done and wanted a compromise. If UN and NATO want seperation movement good luck as countries splinter across the world.
Hey dumbass, stop pretending being an American, not that your spelling is fked up but your first name is not written correctly. Moron accept the reality!
February 21st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Petar,
Albanians are not in war for territories. They have never been. The Albanian people have never been mentioned in history as invaders. If so, could you please be so kind and provide us with the name of one Albanian leader that lead his troops to foreign territories? Among thousands of wars that have happened in that peninsula of ours, can you name one that was started by the Albanians for territory?
And don’t you worry. The Albanians are looking into the future already. In fact they have been trying to do so for centuries. But it hasn’t been that easy to aim for the fancy when forced to struggle for basic existence. The future is the reason the Albanians are ecstatic about the independence and thankful to every country that acknowledges it. Now they can take off and fly proud and free. Our eagle has finally unchained its wings.
February 21st, 2008 at 11:50 pm
# serb Says:
February 21st, 2008 at 6:55 pm
mother theresa is albanian… xaxaxa… that’s funny… i agree that she was born on kosovo, but that she was albanian… xaxaxa… i don’t think so
Moron, you are living in a 21st century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa
February 21st, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Mother Theresa was Albanian, born in Macedonia - so what? No Serb has ever claimed her as Serbian…Serbs have enough world class athletes, scientists, novelists - they don’t need a nun.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 am
The Serbians have been demonised in this conflict, but when you look at the statistics (ratio of Serbs and Albanians at different points in the 20th century and today), of course it’s a different story. Not to mention the obvious fact that 200 000 Serbs have not been able to return to their homes just from the last big conflict alone, and the population of ethnic Albanians is larger then ever. Go figure, with all this alleged ethnic cleansing, the picture is seems odd…
The problem for Serbia is that it never had a good politician. A good politician is a whore. It’s as simple as that. But Serbian politicians (with the notion of pride which doesn’t get you far the way it may have, a few hundred years ago) tend to stick their noses up every time, irritating the big powers, and so their people suffer.
But Kosovo is historically Serbian. Actually no one even denies that! (well there’s a new ethnic Albanian rhethoric which is trying to promote the notion of being descendants of the Illyrian people who lived there before 6 cen.- but the truth seems that Illyrian peoples lived all accross the Balkans and were assimilated with Slavs, except for the Albania proper, which has little to do with Kosovo.)
Well, I’m sure no side is innocent, it’s always like that, but one thing that we always fail to realise, is that there is something like a collective unconscious for groups of people, which is a result of the suffering of the ancestors that makes a mark on their psyche. After watching a part of the programming of the Serb rally today (the peaceful part in front of the big Orthodox cathedral), it was so obvious that this is not just a matter of nationalism (which Serbia has a problem with and needs to learn to deal with), but in ESSENCE, it is a matter of a deep spiritual connection to their past, part of their unconscious which will haunt them for ages until they feel justice is served. The historic battle in which they lost so many to the Ottoman invaders in 1389 is history, but with centuries it also becomes like a myth that acts on their psyche and creates a group ’soul’ so to say. The more a group suffers, the stronger their unconscious connection becomes. Jewish people are probably the greatest example. Serbs with their endless troubles are up there too.
And so the problem is far from over. It is going to resurface again and again, possibly igniting a bigger world conflict that may already be cooking anyway etc.
Do we never learn from history?
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:46 am
If the Kosovars (Albanians aka Shiptars) do not want to live within the country of Serbia, the exit doors are wide open and they can peacefuly go to Albania. They already have their Albanian country in Europe and there is no place for another one. Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro have the same problem with these people. They live for the day like this, when they will take parts of our countries with the blessings of the corrupted US and EU politicians. Well, I just can imagine what’s going to happen when they pour more money into their pockets… money that comes from DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, WEAPON SMUGGLING… So be it.
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 am
Better morning to everyone,
For those of you “familiar” with the situation from CNN broadcasts, please take the time and read Ivo Andric’s book “Bridge over Drina” (I don’t know the real English title, but it should be close). There are many ethnic Serbs, Croats and Bosnians living here in my hometown Pécs and several of them recommended this novel to me. I enjoyed it tremendously and it taught me a lot about the Balkans.
Please stop hating each other and start thinking!
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 am
This CNN report is full of sh*t! Every time Serbs take to the streets and fly Serbian flags they are seen as NATIONALIST! When an American hangs American flag on post in front of his house he is a PATRIOT! How come?
Molotov coctails on US Embassy? Come on please stop lieing, torches and coctails are not the same.
Please leave us alone.
P.S.
The name of protest was not ‘Kosovo is Ours’ but ‘Kosovo is Serbia’.
February 22nd, 2008 at 5:20 am
Czech republic
You have right. I’m from Poland. In 1968 when Czechoslovakia wants to be free, Poland was forced by USSR to attack Czechoslovakia and suppress Czech’s freedom movements, and this is our shame now an then. To this day people in Poland are ashamed of this. Now my government blindly support USA (but people in Poland not support this) about Kosovo and this is also a shame, because it’s violation of international law and it’s violation of independent nation -Serbia.
Ben wrote: “Serbs have always used violence to solve problems and the attack on the embassies is just another example.”
US violate Serbian independence. What would you do if other countries violate your country? When Arab’s terrorist attacked WTC, America, in revenge, attacked theirs country because you have right to defend yourself. When Japanese attacked USA in 1941, America declared war against Japan. In both cases, US had right then, but now you’re forget that Serbian and other nations also have the same right to defend themselves. Remember that before you define Serbia after one sad incident with the Embassy. USA is angry about US Embassy in Serbia, but you’re forget that US just now helped in making a construe of Serbia and this is injustice.
February 22nd, 2008 at 5:22 am
First I have to thank to everyone supporting the fight of Serbian people for keeping its own territory that is violently cut of. Last evening I was on Belgrade streets, and I have to say that it is such a shame for journalist profession that all international TV stations make sensation over a few people vandalizing few garbage disposals in one Belgrade street and nobody talks about magnificent pray held for world peace by 500000 people in St Sava temple. Those are double standards in journalism and satanization of Serbs. ALL I ASK IS TO SHOW THE REAL PICTURE OF BELGRADE!
And do not call those young people on Belgrade streets hooligans. They are angry and desperate, and they do not want to play political games and act calm in such a situation. USA and some EU countries lied and betrayed Serbia. Those young people are showing their attitude by violence. In Denmark Muslims protest because of picture of their profit and nobody finds that inappropriate (it is and it should be their democratic rihgt). Young people in Serbia have the right to express their anger! USA gave them that right by its behavior! All the press is crying over 15 windows on American embassy, and USA took 15% of my land! DOUBLE STANDARDS AGAIN! Can anyone say that 15 windows is more important than 150000 Serbs still left on Kosovo, than hundreds of our churches and monasteries some 800 years old.
Nice Shiptars - drug and weapon dealers, financiers of terrorism, if anyone thinks they are nice, I wish him have them in their own house.
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
I don’t approve the violence. It is not a solution. But, instead of the photos that show hundreds of thousands people praying in front of Sveti Sava’s Cathedral in Belgrade, all the world sees are the “hooligans” who demolish everything. No matter what we do, they will always see us as savages and terrorists. They want to see us that way. They don’t want to see the truth.
Very sad!!!!
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 am
To Jana:
(”Let the Serbs govern Serbia and the Kosovars govern Kosovo.”)
Let the Serbs govern Serbia. Kosovo (and Metohija) are part of Serbia. “Kosovars”, truly, do not exist. In serbian southern province Kosovo and Metohija lives Serbs, and national minorities, who have their own states in neighborhood. One of those national minority are Albanians.
(” The reason the USA has remained intact (and even added states) is because we have basic civil rights in our constitutional amendments that are enforced by the court system.”)
This is an interesting theory - especially for those who knows something about USA: genocide over Indians, worst racism (not only against black people), and constant violations of international law: Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, fmr. Yugoslavia, Afghanistan… Yes, you have basic civil rights in your constitutional amendments, but, whats with other nations, who you are treating like imbeciles who are waiting for be saved by you?
(”If Yugoslavia held similar rights dear, hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive, and the Yugoslav confederation would thrive. But the Serbian thugs ruined it all.”)
Yes, Yugoslavia didn’t have similar rights, but, Yugoslavia was a federation (not confederation!) of six communists republics and six nations, and Serbs was just one of them.
To Tony:
Definitely, America is not an idiotic country. Every country consist people. Among them are the idiots, also. “Idiot” is the name for the high degree of mental illness. But also, “idiot” can be a slang name for stupid, uneducated and uninformed person. As I saw, you are doing your best to be among them.
February 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
OK, let’s say that Kosova should have their independence…
But what do you think will happen in FYR of Macedonia, Montenegro and eventually in Greece?
Albanians are already organized army in Macedonia (just like Kosova Liberation Army in Serbia supported by both Americans and Al Qaeda !!!!!!) few years ago and they are attacking their police and army… Are Macedonians also commited genocide on Albanians like some of you claims Serbs did? Already seen scenario on Kosova… (I’m just not sure why Macedonian government want to recognize Kosova, I think that’s like signing death penalty)
Now we are offering to Serbs to betray them selfs, their ancient history and culture and to come to live with us… Shame on us, nobody of us wouldn’t do that either!
Remember that WW1 started when Serbs killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo ’cause they didn’t want to obey his wishes…
When Serbian government signed their military pact with nazzi Germany there was huge protests in Belgrade with slogan ‘Better grave then slave’… They could avoid that war and instead of that they suffered millions of victims.
This all is just showing to me that, either it is 21st century, this is still very unjustified world…
In this moment I feel petty for me not being Serb ’cause I would feel proud on that…
LONG LIVE SERBIA, ONE OF GREATEST NATIONS IN HISTORY OF THE WORLD !!!
Oh, and Tony, you are now acting like real American and not Italian… My congratulations to you.
February 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
@Nebojsha, look at your Serbian history: wars in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo, and I won’t be surprised when a civil war starts in Serbia. I feel sorry for the 51% Serbs that voted pro EU. I hope they get freedom from you nationalists, and finally a peaceful Balkan!
@Vera, don’t forget the world famous Serbian criminals.
Once and for all, Kosovo has been lost forever, most of you Serbs never stepped in Kosovo, its time to move on and integrate toward Europe
Cheers!
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
There was no war in Slovenia. Slovenians had disarmed and killed remaining Serbs in their, in that time together army. So if you think that shooting and killing unarmed soldiers is war, then there is something wrong with you.
In Croatia Croatians attacked Serbs in their Serbian Kraina (part of Croatia where over a million Serbs were living). Serbs tried to defend them selfs but when Americans started to deliver arms and military tactics to Croatians under cover of humanity aid, Serbs lost their chances (that operation of Croatian army is known as ‘Storm’ and it was identical with U.S. forces operation ‘Desert storm’ in golf, so now think about it)…
As someone already said, war in Bosnia officially started with killing of one Serbian wedding guest by muslims, so I’m also wondering who started that war!?
Let me ask you something… What do you think about American deliveries of arms, munitions and satellite photos of locations of Serbian army to muslim forces in Bosnia now when everyone knows that they was (and probably are now) Al-Qaeda soldiers?
It sounds very ironically when some Italian is talking about criminal when Italy is symbol of mafia (and I believe that you’re proud on that fact).
Once again Tony, you succeeded to convince me that you turned out to be average fat and stupid American… Once again I congratulate you, your purpose in life is complete!
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I’m a Serb And I’m proud of that.
Those who have no idea about Serbian history and about wars here, and I mean real idea, shouldn’t discuss it. If you are prepared only to hear one side and never ask your selves whether all you hear on TV is true or not, then you shouldn’t insult our nation and call us terrible names. It only tells about what you are.
There isn’t a single country that wasn’t built in blood and wars. One of the differences, among other things, is that Serbs are people different from all the others and that we don’t like to suck up to the great forces, and that bothers them very much and they are making us look bad.
It’s not our fault that we have souls and they don’t
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
lolol @someone from EU. You are a brainwashed kid who won’t accept the reality and you are living in the past. Slovenia killed Serbs? Of course they defended their land from you Serbs! Just like in other former Yugoslav countries. “Millions of Serbs lived in Croatia”???? <—-Where are the facts? Or you are daydreaming. War in Bosnia followed after the defeat of Serbs to Croats, then after another defeat in Bosnia, and again you lost from NATO in Kosovo as well
Thats the reality today.
Unfortunately, you won’t have to own a nice car while you’re still alive. Instead of choosing the path toward EU, you are choosing the help of Russia which is an isolated country
Italy a criminal??? hahahhaah. Italy now is like Serbia in the year 2100
As for “average fat”, I can bench press you over 50 times
Cheers!
February 22nd, 2008 at 2:53 pm
oh @someone “EU”, I might be fat (which I am 0% fat), but you have a fat BRAIN lolol
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:19 pm
As someone already said, this is 21 century, so please before you post comments here, get yourself informed first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kosovo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Serbia
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Artur (Poland)
I am not angry on nobody because 1968. It was not because you or because SSSR. Only brainwashed commies in Soviet goverment… I like all slavic nations despite our problems in history. I think your goverment is corrupted as our goverment and this is the worst what can be for our nations.
Hey all
Why do you speak about what was in former Jugoslavia? Now is problem between Albos and Serbs. Did your “free and democratic” news informed you that US army help to terrorists? Did you know that Albanian - kosova army UCK was terroristic organisation for USA? And that they stoped be terrorist when they helped you to kill some Serbs? Now the leaders of UCK are leaders of Kosovo province. And you help them to be free? Why do you speak about terrorists in Iran when you help to terrorist in Kosovo? Is this ususal in american society? Oh God better turn back to Russian side than stay with USA. You are the biggest terrorists despite you say you fight against them. And the worst is that american people agree with american goverment. The most of you know only english language. So you have almost no chance to find other info from other countries. I know russian, english (but you see that I do many mistakes…nevermind), czech and slovak… Czech and Slovak news are translated from English because there are typical mistakes in translation. When I watch british and american news than there is really only what they want to let you know. In Russian it is too, but I think less… After this all I think that american people are victims of this “democracy”… You can hear this word “democracy” 100 times a day. It is the same what did commies in SSSR…
February 22nd, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Thanks for the wikipedia links. Maybe you should have checked yourself before you posted them. That way you could have informed yourself about the fact that: 1)”Kosova was known in antiquity and up to the 19th century as Dardania (from Albanian word dardhë = pear; literally Pearland) after the Illyrian tribe Dardani”, 2) historical sources mention a Kingdom of Dardania as early as 4th century B.C”. Even more so you could have read about the “barbaric invasion between the 5th and 8th centuries” and the creation of the first Serbian state in the 7th century AD. Please see the above posted wikipedia links for sources. (Just a little advice in case you go to school: do not use wikipedia as a source. Professors don’t like that and will not give you a passing grade).
I’ll just post my question again. I guess it wasn’t clear the first time.Which war was started by the Albanians with the purpose of extending their territories beyond where they actually live and breathe?
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
On this link http://www.spc.yu/Vesti-2004/pogrom.html you can see whats happen in one democratic and multiethnic country under NATO and USA protection.
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Jan Sunq thank you for realistic comentary.
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
First of all I’m not Serb but I would like to be the one…
Slovenia was defending from what I’m wondering? Serbs had 150 soldiers in that time there located in one base! And they all get killed! You’re talking about some war that never happened (or are Slovenians some ’supreme’ race so they can win in war against 5-10 time stronger enemy without casualties).
I am brainwashed kid…:) At least I have one and now when it’s been washed it is clean along with my conscience.
Oh my God, I’m arguing with you and you don’t know even how to read (I won’t tell you why, you’ll have to figure that alone but I’m doubting that you will…)!
OK… You got me in this debate… I admit…
Can I, as a looser, imagine your life?
You’re probably working some shity bureaucractic work, after that you go home (but not to your wife cuz you don’t have one, at least not normal…) with your fancy car (probably ford and maybe even some italian model…), then you’re on net at least 6-8 hours per day, visiting some porn sites, masturbating and looking something to get laid for money. You don’t have friends and social life, even your froggy parents had abandoned you…
I don’t know how to tell you this but you have some serious suicidal urge… You can even become a danger for the people around you. So my suggestion to you is to end your miserable life before you hurt someone else!!!
And why do you hate Serbs so much?
Wait, don’t tell me… Some Serb have fucked you in the ass and now you’re angry on them… C’mon, admit… There’s no need to feel shy … It’s gonna be easier to you if you admit… You can maybe even drop that suicidal urge from your brain (but cuz you don’t have one I’m not sure)!
Once again, my congratulations!!!!
February 22nd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
@ goran
wiki is free encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit.
so I’m guessing that this was written by Albanians… and I’m not sure that the site of Serbian Orthodox Church is providing realistic informations.
@ ilira
Albanians started war in Kosova, trying to start one in FYR of Macedonia, will try to start in Montenegro and probably in north Greece eventually… Long live to see…
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 pm
@someone LMAOOOOOOOOOO at you hahahahhaha keep entertaining me. Lets start again.
Serbia lost all 4 wars, now entertain me again
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:35 pm
As for suicide, if I was you, or living in Serbia, I will kill myself just like that man who was burned in the embassy. We all know that you Serbs have it in the blood to kill yourselves
Why do I hate Serbs? I don’t hate Serbs, you nationalists just don’t accept the reality, you don’t want democracy.
Like I said before, keep entertaining me with your propaganda
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:13 am
First off, Mother Theresa was Albanian. No matter what you say you cant change that.
Second, the world has seen the truth about Serbia the past few days if they hadnt the past 10+ years. The lost Slovenia, which they couldnt even fight against, didnt the little war last like 2 weeks? Look what they did to Bosnia! The Bosnians never thought that the Serbs would do what they did. What happened in Kosova cant compare what they did to Bosnia. Kosova was very lucky the US helped when they did. Croatia did what was needed to be done to be rid of Serb rule. Then Macedonia and Montenegro leave.
Of course they want to keep Kosova. They treated the kosovars like shit and they thought they can keep doing it.
You all shouldnt let a Cetnik teach you History. Open your minds to the truth I dont think it will hurt your little brains if you did.
Seems like Milo is still preaching from his grave.
To bad he isnt alive to see this day!
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 am
# someone from ‘EU’ Says:
February 22nd, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Wait, don’t tell me… Some Serb have fucked you in the ass and now you’re angry on them… C’mon, admit… There’s no need to feel shy … It’s gonna be easier to you if you admit… You can maybe even drop that suicidal urge from your brain (but cuz you don’t have one I’m not sure)!
Once again, my congratulations!!!!
HEY!!! Are you saying Serbs are Gay? Hey even an albanian wouldnt go as far as saying that!
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 am
I can see your incapability to provide any answer on all of my questions so our conversation is ending here.
I don’t know why I even started this arguing with Italian who’s pretending to be American ‘patriot’ (in this case patriot is not really patriot, it’s more like nazzi and democracy is more like latent fascist then democracy)…
Message for Serbs: hold on, justice will come, sooner or later, but eventually will come!!
I’m just afraid that I won’t live long enough to see American’s fall down.
See ya’ Tony, you fuckin’ frog.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 am
EU, justice has come! Kosova is Independent
And since it seems you will be dieing soon, say hi to Slobo and tell him Kosova says hello!
ps tony is a Kosovar you moron
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 am
someone from ‘EU’ Says:
Message for Serbs: hold on, justice will come, sooner or later, but eventually will come!!
I’m just afraid that I won’t live long enough to see American’s fall down.
No need to hold on,the justice has come ,it is right in front of your eyes my friend.Too bad you’re too blind to see it!
To all of the serbs:Stop whining,STOP ,JUST STOP IT!No one is going to feel sorry for your lying asses.The world has been on your side for long enough-TOO LONG.You have destroyed a beautiful Yugoslavia,killed thousands of people -for long enough.Time has come for you to get a taste of your own medicine.I suggest that all the idiots who claim that Kosova always belonged to Serbia pick up a godamn book.Read the history my friend you might acually suprise your pea sized brain.
Htela bi takodje da dodam da CRNA GORA nece nikad biti MALA SRBIJA ,i bogu se hvalimo za to.Zivjela Kosovska Republika!
LONG LIVE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 am
What? Kosovo is independent? Haha I am not so sure…. 2.5 billions people are against independent Kosovo. And I think that new country must be accepted by UN. And China and Russia with veto are against. So yes. Kosovo is independent in Albanian brains. In fact Kosovo is still Serbian and I dont think it will change. USA is too week for this. USA is the biggest terrorist when they help to albanians. Go out from Eurasia!
February 23rd, 2008 at 7:54 am
To Tony:
As I said - you must read and learn something, if you want to discuss as a adult. And learn to made difference between nationalism and fact-based talking.
To Ilira:
Exactly, Albanians didn’t start any war, mostly because Albanians are cowards, but Albanians was always was “on the right side” when they smell who will be a winner. That’s happened, for example, in World War Two, when Albanians was on the fascist side. In other periods, Albanians just shoot on anyone from the safety of dark.
To anyone who consider Kosovo as “Albanian land”:
Show me ONE Albanian historical monument on Kosovo and Metohija! Despite vandalism of Kosovo’s Albanians, and destroying over 80 Serbian churches and monasteries just in the last few years (not to mention before) - a several hundreds of Serbian monuments still remain on Kosovo and Metohija.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:30 am
To Val:
Kakve sad veze ima Crna Gora sa ovime, osim sto je i sama ugrozena od velikoalbanskih pretenzija?
Crna Gora i ne treba da bude Mala Srbija, vec uvek treba da bude Crna Gora!
Ali, kad pozelis da opet kazes ono “zivjela kosovska republika”, seti se jedne od pesama velikog Kralja Nikole:
“Onamo, ‘namo, za brda ona,
govore da je razoren dvor
mojega cara, onamo vele
bio je negda junacki zbor.
…
Onamo, ‘namo, da vidju Prizren,
ta to je moje, doma cu doc’,
starina mila tamo me zove,
tu moram jednom oruzan poc’.
…
Onamo, ‘namo, sa razvalina
dvorova carskih vragu cu rec,
“S ognjista mila bjezi mi kugo,
zajam ti moram vracati vec”.
…
(i tako dalje)
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:31 am
These fuckin Serbians and Russians are the most stupid people i have seen. They think that they are important to this world but they dont know what the rest of the world thinks of them. They think of them as useless animals. And why do you keep referring to Albanian’s as terrorist when the entire democratic world supports us. America, th UK, Germany, France, Italy, Austria (just to name a few) support us. Are you saying all of those countries support terror. Seems stupid you stupid idiots.
Kosova from Feb 17 is independent and guess what the important countries have recognized it. To tell you the truth we dont need Russia or China. Who needs countries that are isolated from the world? not us.
When will these stupid serbians learn that people will not listen to their lies. KOSOVA is the land of Albanians, it always was and it will always be. the truth is that Serbians are trying to lie to themselves, they are trying to convince themselves that the civilized world(that does not include Russia, of course) sees them as animals who only know violence.
KOSOVA is ALBANIAN 4EVER!
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 am
HASHIM THACI is 100% smarter than all of the serbian leaders combined. thats my boi…. haha GREATER ALBANIA soon….
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:38 am
To Nebojsa:
Crna Gora ce uvijek bit Crna Gora ,al nikad ugrozena od velikoalbanskih pretenzija vec od pretenzija srpskih nacionalista koji jos sanjaju o velikoj srbiji.Kad ce vasim pretnjama doci Kraj?Kad cete prestati da branite ljude kao “Slobodan Milosevic”.
If it wasn’t for him there would still be Yugoslavia!If it wasnt for him maybe Kosovo would still be a part of Serbia.You have people like him to blame for the outcome of all of this.(include Karadzic,Arkan and the gang to the group).
Ma sta ste bre vi mislili da ce svjet da cuti dok vi ubijate i maltretirate druge?
I am all for human rights and that’s why i support Kosova’s independence because rights they never had under your regime (their rights didn’t equal to the rights of animals let alone human beings).Enough is enough and this is were the line is drawn.Every true democrat serb is happy that this day has come.It was long awaited and deserved.
Stop turning a blind eye on reality because the only person you are going to fool is yourself.
Na kraju vam cestitam kako ste jos jednom uspjeli da obrukate sebe pred cjelim svjetom sa lopovima i huliganima!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 am
Hi everyone
Just wanted to tell you something:D
Kosova is independent, and 50% of you guys in here oppose that - Well guess what, noone is asking you at all
America, UK, Germany, France, Italy Denmark, Poland etc have recognized Kosova - Now who gives a fuck if your 3rd world countries won’t recognize us - China should start taking a look at their own country - 90% of the wealt in 5% of the population, while the rest struggle to get food on the table. F-ing communists with free market!
Russia is just plain stupid! Everyone hates Russia, noone actually likes it. Russia just talks and talks, while noone is listening. Well Newsflash for you Russia, we’re independent, and you can’t do shit about it - All you can do is talk. You’re afraid that Chechnya might liberate themselves like we did. Look at your antidemocratic country who breaks severale UN rules, and then you can come and talk about violation of UN rules when Kosova declared itself independent! Same goes for China!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 am
To Val:
Ti si, cini mi se, malo pobrkala loncice.
- Da li sam ja manifestovao ikakve pretenzije prema Crnoj Gori? (btw, ponosim se time sto sam Crnogorac!)
- Da li sam ja jednom jedinom recju “branio ljude kao sto je Slobodan Milosevic”? (btw, i on je Crnogorac, kao i Arkan, kog pominjes!)
- Da li sam ja ubijao ili maltretirao druge? (btw, smatram da se problemi jedino i mogu resiti ovako kako ja pokusavam, istinom i argumentima, a ne ratom!)
- Da li ti, zaista, znas ista o ljudskim pravima? Da li je, recimo, srpski/hrvatski/crnogorski/bosnjacki/kakav god jezik ravnopravan u sluzbenoj komunikaciji u SAD, ili Albaniji, kao sto je bio albanski na Kosovu i Metohiji u vreme pre pobune velikoalbanskih separatista i dolaska UNMIK? (btw vidi sta pisu “Kosovari” i drugi Albanci koji su postavili postove, o Velikoj Albaniji)
- Da, zaista, ono divljastvo grupe huligana i idiota u Beogradu je uzasno ruzno, i to sam rekao u svom prvom postu ovde. Ali, mlada si verovatno da se secas - a ja se secam - kako su svojevremeno albanski separatisti i teroristi na Kosovu i Metohiji ugurali flasu kisele vode jednom deki, Martinovicu (Crnogorcu!) pokusavajuci tako da zaplaase nealbanski zivalj i oteraju ih s vekovnih ognjista.
- Na kraju, Val - kako god da se zoves i koje god da si vere ili nacije - zapamti: narodi se ne mogu deliti na dobre ili lose, samo se ljudi dele na dobre ili lose.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 am
‘Homey we keet those on us
Smoke like mufflers
To calm down/I sell
But still explode
Those things so fast/they know not to gas they self
They can’t fuck with us, we laugh last’
Serbia rulezz…
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:42 am
Someone from ‘EU’.
That’s all you guys could come up with? Among hundreds of conflicts in the Balkans, Albanians started three wars - two of which HAVE NOT EVEN HAPPENED except maybe in your head? And, that Albanians are cowards and have managed to be on the right side? Come on guys, you can’t be serious! Albanian people unfortunately had no rights anywhere in the Balkans including Albania itself. How could they play the politics without connections? The Kosovar Albanians that live on your side of the border were not even allowed to be taught in schools in their own language. What nation would just sit around and be? Of course they would rebel. But, you know what? The world would not have noticed again (like it did for centuries) if the Serb government did not make those stupid wars and discredit itself in Croatia and especially in Bosnia.
Nebojsa,
It hurts when you see this kind of destruction, no matter on what side you are. I feel the same for the orthodox monasteries that angry troubled people damaged. But I hope that this is the end of this madness and our people will be in peace for all time to come.
http://hul.harvard.edu/publications/hul_notes_1295/articles/kosovo.html
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 am
Urosh, what the fuck is wrong with you, that was the dumbest shit i have heard. U stupid Serbian shit, UCK has the last laugh, dont u follow current events, u ugly shit.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Nebojsa,
Ma o kakvoj ravnopravnoj komunikaciji ti pricas majke ti?Kosovski albanci nisu imali prava ni da se skoluju na maternjem jeziku.E Nebojsa ,Nebojsa mlada tolko nisam, zato dobro pamtim kolko puta je Srbija trovala Kosovske Studente,da ne pominjem koliko od njih je ubila.A ne ma ne kako to srbi nebi nikad uradili?Right?Ma ne bre oni nemogu ni muvu da ubiju!Jesi ikad cuo za Adem Jasara.Need I go on?
Bila sam u Kosovo jednom 1997 and mogu ti reci da sam videla mnogo stvari koje nikad necu zaboraviti.
These Kosovars here that are responding to you,they my friend are the ones who didnt watch the war from a TV,in their lovely comfy houses.They are the ones who experienced it firsthand.They are the ones who lost their loved ones and homes and eveything they had ,so this day would come.Once again i will say it :You are blinded by serbian media so much that you cannot see the reality.Untill you’ve experienced half of what these ppl have been through ,through centuries you have no right to even reply.
Slobo je bio Crnogorac poreklom al je bio Srbin IPO U srcu.Pakao mu je predobar jer je on kriv za sve ovo!
Now peace be with you and god help you all!
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
@someone EU, your frustration is growing
-you seem to enjoy sth inside your hairy Serbian ass, because you told me how you fck in the ass, we Americans fked you with bombs in the azz in 1999
-you are saying God is watching Serbs, thats right, you are being punished, Europe doesn’t want you to exist, you and Russia will be punished as long as you exist because both of you nationalist nations hate democracy.
By the way, Italy is the world champ in football, whereas your Serbian nation was owned by Argentina 6:0
@Nebojsha, I don’t need to learn your propaganda history, I already learned it, Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria, Bosnia have the same history books which states “Kosovo was Dardania a part of Illyrian kingdom.” As for recent history, I watched and enjoyed the defeats of Serbs to Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Nato in Kosovo. Why did I enjoy, because you Serbs are always troublesome. As UK foreign minister said “Russia is an isolated country they can’t do anything besides talking propaganda to Serbs”
Cheers!
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 pm
to the person who made the comment about KosovA not being independent.
24 out of 27 approved and recognize KosovA as independent, which would only leave 3 that didnt (this is including u animals) therefore yes KosovA is now officially independent and if you animals all decide to burn eachother it does not make a difference because there is nothing to be done now. So you may all go slit your wrists. Thank You, Have a nice day!
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
@ Ilira
You’re probably the smartest Albanian I’ve ever seen.
You should run for President of half recognized Kosovo
@ kosovari
You didn’t heard it, you’re read it you stupid fucker!
UCK is for now laughing… but both of us knows that this battle is far over. Don’t worry, will see each other in close future as soon as Americans leave and then, when there’s no one around to defend you will see who’s gonna laugh! Pussies…
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Tony explain why do you think that Serbia is democratic?
Jana take a look at this:
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Tony explain why do you think that Serbia is not democratic?
Jana take a look at this:
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Urosh, Thanks for the compliment but it doesn’t seem like you have had much contact with Albanians. Here I’d like to introduce you to some more. I’m proud to say they are smarter and better informed than me.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread336159/pg7
@Val: Thanks!
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm
urosh. U ugly fuck don’t worry uck will always be alive. Serbia can’t do shit anymore. Keep living in a dream world but Serbia will never step foot in kosova again. If they try my fellow Albanians and I will be right there to stop them. Uck took only 5 years to develop. Imagine the army we are going to create in another 5 years. U can stop shitting ur pants because I know u Serbs fear how strong we are going to become. Everytime I see a Serb around an Albanian in ny they start shitting their pants. Everyone in the free world hates Serbia. Explain that u fags
February 24th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Ilira I said that only because you called for peace and for saving of cultural legacy (orthodox and muslim) and all this people that you showed to me are just I’m-having-a-problem-with-Serbs-USA-help-us-please terrorists. You’re wrong about me not knowing Albanians. I was on Kosovo around 10 times from ‘98-’03 (my sister studied there) and I almost get killed in Pristina in ‘98. Some Albanian terrorist yelled something on albanian language on us and when he saw that we can’t understand him, he started to shoot on us with AK-47. We escaped from him, and I’m still remembering his face like it was yesterday. After that I went in Pristina couple of times on few days with a gun in my trousers looking for him and I still haven’t founded him yet. But when I do, I’m gonna put a bullet right between his eyes and simply turn around and leave like nothing happened! I’m guessing that the children killer have his own kids now (probably 10-20 actually ’cause for your people thats normal) and I’m gonna feel sorry for that kids when they loose their father but for him I don’t give a fuck!
After this story if any Albanian write something like ‘I’m imagining’ or ‘keep dreaming’ and bullshits like that he is a cock sucker!!
During the NATO bombing they bombed some TV anntena in my hood (2mx2m and 30 feet tall) with several tones weighted bomb and I was just about 100 yards away and, once again, I almost get killed! In that time I was 17 years old.
Kosovari please don’t call me ugly ’cause I fucked better pussies than you can probably imagine. I know that UCK is gonna be there waiting for us ’cause you know that we’re gonna back. You needed a lot more then 5 years to develop your terrorist army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army) and just couple of months to get destroyed, but your ‘God’ saved you that time. Till next time…
Val jedva cekam da te vidim za 20 godina kad ti siptari budu klali decu.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
To Val:
(Kosovski albanci nisu imali prava ni da se skoluju na maternjem jeziku.)
NEISTINA. Verujem da nisi dobro obavestena, ali, Albanci na Kosovu i Metohiji, kao sve druge nacionalne manjine (”narodnosti”) u Srbiji i drugim republikama bivse SFRJ, imali su skolovanje na maternjem, dakle albanskom, jeziku, kao i medije, licna dokumenta, upravu, zdravstvo i td. Neke stvari su se pod Slobinim rezimom promenile za one Albance sa KiM koji nisu priznavali drzavu Srbiju. Svima ostalima - ostala su sva prava. Kao ilustracija: u utorak sam vodio dete na Deciju kliniku u Beogradu i tamo svojim ocima video albansku porodicu iz Pristine, koja je bez ikakvih problema dosla u beograd zbog lecenja deteta, kome na Kosovu nisu mogli da pomognu.
(kolko puta je Srbija trovala Kosovske Studente,da ne pominjem koliko od njih je ubila.Jesi ikad cuo za Adem Jasara.)
Podji logikom zdravog razuma: da je Srbija “trovala” kosovsko-albanske studente, zar bi ih toliko bilo? Adem Jasari je bio zlocinac, koji je ubijao i Srbe i Siptare, koji nisu bili za UCK. I da: bilo je ubistava, na zalost, i previse, zverskih, strasnih, sa obe strane, a vreme ce pokazati ko ih je provocirao i konacno ko je, kako i zasto gurnuo kosmetske Albance u ovu avanturu, koja se nece dobro okoncati. Autonomija, koju im je na pregovorima nudila Srbija (dakle, ne Sloba, vec demokratska vlada!), bila je mnogo veca od bilo cije u svetu, i delili bi dobro i zlo sa svim ostalim gradjanima Srbije. Na zalost, oni su izabrali put koji ce ih samo izolovati, jer Kosovo je i privredno, i ekonomski i kako god zavisno od ostatka Srbije.
(They are the ones who lost their loved ones and homes and eveything they had…)
Da, na zalost, u onome sta se desavalo 1998. i 1999. mnogi su stradali, mnogi ostali invalidi, mnogi ostali bez igde icega. Ali, u najmanju ruku isto su prosli kosovski Srbi i drugi ne-Albanci. I dan danas u uzoj Srbiji zivi oko 250.000 Srba koji su proterani sa svoje imovine na Kosovu ili su sve izgubili. Ako budes zelela da se vise informises, mogu da ti dam adrese web sajtova.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
To Ilira:
Library of Halum Suleman Efendi (destroyed on those picture on Harvard’s site), are, (first), from the TURKISH OTOMAN HERITAGE (not Albanian), and (second) destroyed by NATO bomb in march 26th.
And yes, I can agree with you, destruction of cultural legacy are madness. But, let me point: during two years of Kosovo-Albanians rebellion, a lot of heritage (ortodox, muslim), was destroyed. But only in ONE DAY, march 17th 2004. (Kosovo in those times was already 5 yrs under UNMIK, Albanians was “safe and protected”), Albanians destroys around 40 Serbian churches and monasteries, and burn several thousand of homes of earlier-refugee Serbs.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Urosh, I’m kind of glad you are continuing this conversation because I can see where you come from and why you hate the Albanians. Unfortunately, year 1998 was the wrong time to be in Kosovo for everybody, Serbs or Albanians. I believe your story is genuine and that is my point: both our people have suffered and I’m hoping this will stop. You escaped death and have not forgotten that day. As you say you will not rest until you get revenge even though you are very lucky because you are alive. Now, can you step for one fraction of a second on the other side?
I was born and raised in Albania but my father is from Kosovo. Part of his family (and yes, you’re right they are also a very big family) came from Gjakova to find refuge in our home, the other part ended up in a refugee camp in Macedonia. In the whole mess of escape, my teenage cousin was left behind with his uncles, from his mom’s side, in the village. I won’t even try to even explain the anguish that my family went through.
To make a long story short, let’s fast forward to year 2008. My cousin is still alive and finally well after suffering a severe depression. He witnessed what we’re not quite sure yet. All he ever said about the event was that the Serbian paramilitia blew an animal to pieces just an arm’s length away from where he was hiding and, that both his uncles were taken away. What I know for sure is that both brothers have not returned ever since. They had wives and young children.
On the other side, five cousins of my father (all brothers that belonged to 2 different families) were also taken away. Their remains were found in Serbia through DNA identification after years of frantic search. For two years the rest of the family postponed the funerals because nobody was strong enough to tell their mothers the truth (they were convinced that their children were somewhere in some Serbian prison). The funerals finally happened last year. None of these people belonged to KLA. They only decided to stay home “to not leave the homes alone” as we randomly would say. Our homes are sacred to us.
It is a fact that many families in Kosovo have stories like this to tell. Can someone tell them that it s fair for the Serbian government to govern them any more? Do you think it is fair for the Albanin-Kosovars to carry Serbian passport and be proud and decent Serbian citizens? I don’t think so. This is not about greater Albania and all that non sense. This is about giving people what they deserve and not pocking on wounds that have not even closed yet. Finally, I cannot speak for everybody else but I know that my family has decided to rise beyond all the pain for the sake of Kosovo’s independence. I hope you will let it go, too.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Nebojsa,
I’m going to respond to you in English because at this point it’s easier for me to do so.So according to you Adem JAsari was a war criminal,guess what?So was Arkan!Why then didn’t serbs ,since they are so innocent according to you ,go to his hometown and kill eveyone on his bloodline,Why not Karadzic?Why Jasari?
You are making it seem as if im talking out my ass,imagining every single thing i’m saying,honestl