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	<title>Comments on: The Right To Be A Jerk</title>
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	<description>I believe in the free speech that liberals used to believe in, the economic freedom that conservatives used to believe in, and the personal freedom that America used to believe in.</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/07/20/the-right-to-be-a-jerk/comment-page-1/#comment-231159</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Levvy,

If I could understand what you said, I&#039;d respond to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Levvy,</p>
<p>If I could understand what you said, I&#8217;d respond to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Levvy J.</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/07/20/the-right-to-be-a-jerk/comment-page-1/#comment-231158</link>
		<dc:creator>Levvy J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to give you credit, author, for calling out those who make death threats, but by equating them with Mr. Myers or Mr. Cook, I do think you have unearth an unintentional irony: for some, Myers is actually making a death threat!  If taken literally, the piece of bread becomes, somehow, &quot;alive.&quot;  Operating under that premise, there is absolutely no objection to the bloviating of one Mr. Donahue; he is entirely right to call the actions of Mr. Cook kidnapping and the yet-actions of Mr. Myers offensive.  

In fairness to you, author, I do not see you making making that argument.  From you, I see conversation non-starting pure opinion to which I say: I disagree.  So there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to give you credit, author, for calling out those who make death threats, but by equating them with Mr. Myers or Mr. Cook, I do think you have unearth an unintentional irony: for some, Myers is actually making a death threat!  If taken literally, the piece of bread becomes, somehow, &#8220;alive.&#8221;  Operating under that premise, there is absolutely no objection to the bloviating of one Mr. Donahue; he is entirely right to call the actions of Mr. Cook kidnapping and the yet-actions of Mr. Myers offensive.  </p>
<p>In fairness to you, author, I do not see you making making that argument.  From you, I see conversation non-starting pure opinion to which I say: I disagree.  So there.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Catholic Cracker Caper</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/07/20/the-right-to-be-a-jerk/comment-page-1/#comment-231089</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Catholic Cracker Caper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doug Mataconis begs to differ: &#8220;Call it crazy if you want. Call it without scriptural foundation even. It’s what they believe, which makes their reaction somewhat understandable in my mind.&#8221;  Further, Myers &#8220;did this knowing what the Eucharist means to Catholics with the obvious intention of offending them by doing so. While he may not have committed a crime, he did act like a thoughtless jerk whose actions really aren’t worthy of being defended.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doug Mataconis begs to differ: &#8220;Call it crazy if you want. Call it without scriptural foundation even. It’s what they believe, which makes their reaction somewhat understandable in my mind.&#8221;  Further, Myers &#8220;did this knowing what the Eucharist means to Catholics with the obvious intention of offending them by doing so. While he may not have committed a crime, he did act like a thoughtless jerk whose actions really aren’t worthy of being defended.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/07/20/the-right-to-be-a-jerk/comment-page-1/#comment-230974</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kip,

Legally speaking, you are correctly.

Speaking from the general rule that one doesn&#039;t really accomplish anything by acting like an ass, it&#039;s clear that Webster knew what he was doing, knew that it would offend people, and did it anyway.

It&#039;s roughly equivalent to marching up and down the sidewalk in front of a synagogue with a swastika flag.

You have the right do it, and I have the right to conclude that the person doing it is a jerk unworthy of being listened to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip,</p>
<p>Legally speaking, you are correctly.</p>
<p>Speaking from the general rule that one doesn&#8217;t really accomplish anything by acting like an ass, it&#8217;s clear that Webster knew what he was doing, knew that it would offend people, and did it anyway.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s roughly equivalent to marching up and down the sidewalk in front of a synagogue with a swastika flag.</p>
<p>You have the right do it, and I have the right to conclude that the person doing it is a jerk unworthy of being listened to.</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/07/20/the-right-to-be-a-jerk/comment-page-1/#comment-230970</link>
		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;And one could argue that the communion wafer is the private property of the Church given to participants with the understanding that it will not be abused (actually, there are provisions of Canon Law that govern that).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, one absolutely cannot argue that at all. I&#039;m not required to know, or even to ask, what the Church&#039;s expectations are. They&#039;re required to communicate it to me proactively.

(Much as I&#039;m not required to know, or even to ask, whether there is a &quot;saggy pants law&quot; in Flint, Michigan, that might subject me to arrest. The government must communicate unorthodox laws to me in advance or I am, as a matter of constitution law, not subject to them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;And one could argue that the communion wafer is the private property of the Church given to participants with the understanding that it will not be abused (actually, there are provisions of Canon Law that govern that).</i></p></blockquote>
<p>No, one absolutely cannot argue that at all. I&#8217;m not required to know, or even to ask, what the Church&#8217;s expectations are. They&#8217;re required to communicate it to me proactively.</p>
<p>(Much as I&#8217;m not required to know, or even to ask, whether there is a &#8220;saggy pants law&#8221; in Flint, Michigan, that might subject me to arrest. The government must communicate unorthodox laws to me in advance or I am, as a matter of constitution law, not subject to them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Mataconis</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/07/20/the-right-to-be-a-jerk/comment-page-1/#comment-230943</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mataconis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one could argue that the communion wafer is the private property of the Church given to participants with the understanding that it will not be abused (actually, there are provisions of Canon Law that govern that).

And I don&#039;t see this as an argument about rights in a libertarian context.

I see it as an argument about civility. Webster engaged in an action for the sole and obvious purpose of offending Catholics. 

Did he have the right to do it ? Of course.

Was he right in doing it ? I don&#039;t think so, because I think there is such a thing as civility and common decency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one could argue that the communion wafer is the private property of the Church given to participants with the understanding that it will not be abused (actually, there are provisions of Canon Law that govern that).</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t see this as an argument about rights in a libertarian context.</p>
<p>I see it as an argument about civility. Webster engaged in an action for the sole and obvious purpose of offending Catholics. </p>
<p>Did he have the right to do it ? Of course.</p>
<p>Was he right in doing it ? I don&#8217;t think so, because I think there is such a thing as civility and common decency.</p>
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		<title>By: KipEsquire</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2008/07/20/the-right-to-be-a-jerk/comment-page-1/#comment-230939</link>
		<dc:creator>KipEsquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCardle&#039;s analogy is mind-bogglingly moronic; once again she demonstrates that she wouldn&#039;t understand a libertarian argument if it came up and bit her on the nose.

A gravesite is the private property of another; a wafer given willingly as part of a ritual open to the public becomes the property of the recipient (in the absence of any express a priori stipulation to the contrary).

Contra McCardle, I most certainly have the &quot;right to desecrate&quot; anything I damn well please -- once it becomes my property.

If this is so important to Catholics, then let them require people to sign a waiver before they get the wafer, or post signs or do something that puts people on notice beforehand (i.e., creates a contract or otherwise attaches legally cognizable conditions); I could live with that. Otherwise, they are the ones who in fact have &quot;no right&quot; to demand anything from anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCardle&#8217;s analogy is mind-bogglingly moronic; once again she demonstrates that she wouldn&#8217;t understand a libertarian argument if it came up and bit her on the nose.</p>
<p>A gravesite is the private property of another; a wafer given willingly as part of a ritual open to the public becomes the property of the recipient (in the absence of any express a priori stipulation to the contrary).</p>
<p>Contra McCardle, I most certainly have the &#8220;right to desecrate&#8221; anything I damn well please &#8212; once it becomes my property.</p>
<p>If this is so important to Catholics, then let them require people to sign a waiver before they get the wafer, or post signs or do something that puts people on notice beforehand (i.e., creates a contract or otherwise attaches legally cognizable conditions); I could live with that. Otherwise, they are the ones who in fact have &#8220;no right&#8221; to demand anything from anyone.</p>
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