Orly Taitz, World Net Daily, and the loons over at Free Republic having all been going crazy over this document, which purports to be a record of the birth of Barack Obama at Coast General Hospital on August 4, 1961:
Looks convincing, huh ? Well, not so much.
First of all, there’s a question of why a birth registration record would be issued in 1964 for a child born three years earlier who was not even living in the country at the time. This is significant because any original birth record would be a British colonial record, not a Kenyan record. Kenya was still a British colony in 1961, and did not become independent until December 12, 1963.
Strike One
This leads to the second problem with the purported birth certificate. From December 12, 1963 until December 12, 1964, the official title of Kenya was the Dominion of Kenya. It wasn’t until a year later, on December 12, 1964 that the Republic of Kenya came into existence. And yet, the document above, issued on February 17, 1964 purports to have been issued on behalf of the Office of Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya.
Strike Two
Finally, this actually allegation has come up before, albeit without documentary “proof” purporting to establish it, and seemingly debunked:
The document, supposedly “certified with an embossed seal” and “witness signatures” says America’s next commander in chief was born at Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa at 7:24pm on August 4, 1961.
Officials at the hospital confirm they’ve been besieged with requests for information on Obama’s birth but haven’t been able to find any record of it.
“We do not have computerized records going back to the 1960’s and can only sort through our archives by hand,” Dr. Christopher Mwanga, an administrator at the Mombasa hospital tells GLOBE. “We have searched for all the names of babies born on Aug. 4, 1961, and have not found the name of Barack Hussein Obama. That is all I can tell you.”
The hospital has no records, and yet there’s this document, purportedly created three years after Obama’s birth, by officials of a country that wouldn’t exist for another ten months, that has miraculously appeared.
Strike Three.
Something tells me that the birthers are going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is.
Update: First of all, welcome Andrew Sullivan readers and thanks for the link, Andrew !
Second, a point about the document above that I neglected to mention before. It’s worth noting that what we’ve been presented with is a photograph of a document. It’s not a PDF or other similar image that would generated had the document been scanned with an optical scanner. The only reason I can think that someone would do that would be to hide as many of the obvious forgery flaws as they could.
Update # 2: Dr. Conspiracy points out a few other inconsistencies on the face of the document:
There are various internal inconsistencies that have been pointed out that suggest that the Kenyan certificate is more a hoax than a forgery (e.g. the certificate number 47,044 – Obama was 47 years old when he became the 44th president of the US and that the name of the Registrar, E. F. Lavender, is also a brand of handwash).
If there was a Strike Four, that’d be it.
Update # 3 Just a note that there seems to be a bug with the comments for this post. Approved comments are not showing up on the comments page at the moment. Rest assured that if you’ve left a comment, I’ve approved it. I’m trying to figure out what the problem is, but it may be related to the amount of traffic the page has received.
Update # 4 Comments are now visible. Apparently, my hosting company had moved a static version of the page to a separate server yesterday due to the large amount of traffic it was getting. Comment away !
Update # 5 Yet more evidence that the Kenya Birth Certificate is a fake.
Update # 6 So, What Did Kenya Call Itself When That (Fake) Obama Birth Certificate Was Issued ?
Update # 7 Here’s what a real 1960s era Kenyan birth certificate looks like.
August 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
But, but, but, but, but….you did not address the fold lines. Those look legitimate to me. No person would purposefully fold such an important document in such a haphazard manner unless it was stuffed haphazardly into a Par Avion envelope bound via air mail from Kenya to a tiny island in “barrister” Taitz’s mind, in which case, you would get EXACTLY these types of fold lines.
How you missed this is beyond me.
I am not a crank.
August 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
On the contrary, the 3 year discrepancy would only show it to be more real. If someone were to forge this, why the difference?
About Kenya, I’m not sure. Maybe you can debunk that part with a Kenyan friend.
August 2nd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
And…check the Kerning!!!
August 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Another hint, “they” divorced 1964.
August 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
lol, thanks for the breakdown there. I used a simpler test: Orly Taitz is claiming it, therefore it’s bs. Don’t feed the trolls you know?
Hilarious to see them trumpeting this after writing about a remarkably similar document being for sale on eBay a week ago.
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:18 pm
This document, if real, would not settle the issue what-so-ever. If it is real, I would suspect that it was filed in 1964 so as to provide Barack with some sort of citizenship in Kenya. It would not be proof that Obama was born in Kenya.
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Whats for certain is there is plenty of information on the document which could be easily cross checked and verified w the proper authorities — Signature, serial numbers etc.
The main speculation behind the 1964 date is that this document was requested by Obama’s mother during divorce proceedings, that so happened within the date range indicated on this certificate.
Aside from your conjecture about the wording which would be valid on a document of this nature, I would more readily believe it if it were stated by an appropriate document expert.
As it stands, this document has more verifyable information about the particulars of Obama’s birth than the one HI released — perhaps the media could do their job for once and investigate its autenthicity.
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm
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August 2nd, 2009 at 7:50 pm
1) Since Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, then it makes perfect sense that a certificate issued in 1964 would be Kenyan. As the document is titled itself, this is a certified copy, not the original.
Fail one.
2) The Kenyan Constitution, written in 1963 declares Kenya as a Republic, whether it was still techincally a dominion is irrelevant.
Fail two.
3) According to the Certified Copy itself, the original recording is made in book 44B, page 5733. Where’s the book? If it’s missing or the hospital claims they cannot find it, that does not disprove anything. In fact it looks highly suspicious.
Fail three.
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
It shows Obama’s mother to be 18 years old. Wasn’t she 17 when she had him?
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pm
“Something tells me that the birthers are going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is.”
LOL. No they won’t. They ignore reality; it’s more or less their defining characteristic. What makes you think they’d suddenly start paying attention to reality?
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Quare whether attorney Orley Taitz will, as she promised, offer this document in a petition in federal court? Offering a forged document would subject her to professional discipline and an award of counsel fees. That’s what an internet law degree gets you.
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
You might also want to look at the coat of arms at the top of the paper. Kenya had their own by 1963, rather than what appears to be an odd variation of the UK coat of arms (it’s supposed to be a unicorn NOT a horse)
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
So let me get this straight:
1. Berg will have an forensics expert imposter testify as to the lack of validity of the COLB.
2. Taitz will have a dupe testify as to the authenticity of the so-called Kenyan document.
Entertainment doesn’t get any better than this!
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Also, there is evidence thet Kenya was infact using that name on docs before the queeens inauguration later that year. The Repub of Kenya was birthed in 1963 but was official in 1964. If he releases the long form from HI, we could see the truth.
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
“you did not address the fold lines”
Not only that, did you notice the small tears at some of the folds? The kind you get when it’s been folded up for years. And maybe the reason they can’t find a document in the hospital is because this is it and it was stolen from the files. Maybe the source is in fear for his life because he stole it from the hospital.
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Barack Obama Sr had at least one prior marriage. This document states otherwise, which makes it suspect
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
But this document is written in English! English was spoken in British Colonial Kenya! Therefore it must be real! *slams head repeatedly on desk*
I am also not a crank, though I am now slightly concussed…
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Dream on, jerk. You have no idea whom you’re dealing with if you think we’re going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is-n’t. Yeah, see what I did there?
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
I appreciate the concerns of the birthers. But the legal question of Constitutional law is clear. You CANNOT be eligible for the Presidential office if you are born to only one American parent. IT TAKES TWO! Where he was born is irrelevant to the law. He is at best a citizen and as it looks now he is an illegal immigrant. This is not an issue of race. It is a question of the Constitution of the United States. Please read http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama_is_not_a_natural_born_citizen.htm
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
What I still can’t figure out is how the birthers explain how an 18-year-old young woman with no money made her way on a rare, hugely expensive transcontinental flight in 1961 to Kenya and then back again with a baby without anyone—her parents, friends, airline employees, anyone—having noticed. How is it that there’s no record of such a flight?
And why in the world would she do it in the first place? What was the motive? There was no citizenship issue, because the baby’s mother was already an American citizen herself. The only conceivable motive was that Obama’s mother worried that he might be challenged if he ran for president some day. She really thought ahead, didn’t she!
What is the birthers’ theory for how all this happened, and why do they think that theory seems more likely than the far simpler claim that Stanley just gave birth where she lived in Hawaii?
If anyone can find me an explanation, anywhere, I’d be grateful to know. They must have some story for how all this was supposed to have happened, right?
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 pm
The copy of the Kenyan Birth Certificate was requested for the divorce in 1964.
Obama scammed the entire country!
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Umpire,
You called it too soon:
There was a one year transition period.
Kenya Independence was declared on 12/12/63.
The Republic was official on 12/12/64.
Someone on the TopSecret blog gave proof that there are gov’t documents with both the crest AND ‘Republic of Kenya’ on the documents during this transition period. It makes sense that they’d have both.
Ref: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread487621/pg28
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Looks convincing, huh?
Hell, no.
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Some good info here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread487621/pg28
As a secretary who started out typing on typewriters, the document looks legit, font, style, type-o on “v” lower case, heavy comma and period keys, et al.
Even the typing in of the name to replace signature for the certified copy. Just typed some corporate documents from 30 years ago last week and I had to do the same thing.
Folks, the birth certificate is real.
The only one that is fake is the one Obama submitted to the American people.
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
All three of your strikes are wrong.
Point 1. Stanley Ann Dunham filed for divorce the month after the request for her son’s birth certificate. She would need a cooperative Obama Sr. to achieve her ends. Further she needed proof of birth so that Lolo Soetoro could adopt Barry.
Oh! And thanks for reiterating the obvious point that Barack was born British, and he still IS British, and totally ineligible (not natural born as per 7 SCOTUS precedent cases such as Minor v. Happersett which not only defines natural born as jus soli jus sanguinis but ALSO rules out any 14th amendment baby as ever being a natural born citizen…being natural born is binomial, you either are or you aren’t, and Obama NOR McCain were).
Point 2…Kenya declared its independence in December of 1963 and there are postage stamps from January 1964 that state its name is “Republic of Kenya” … a proud declaration
Point 3… The hospital admits no computerized systems. birth certificate researcher Jerome Corsi was arrested by Odinga last year for no reason, in Kenya, (you remember Odinga? the genocidal al-Qaeda backed marxist whom Obama helped to incite genocide by campaigning for him after he promised said genocide back Aug 2006 resulting in the slaughter of thousands of Kenyan christians by their fellow Luos? That Odinga?)… This record was probably stored in files such as those of a lawyer, perhaps deceased, or friend of Stanley Ann after she died in Hawaii (by herself since Obama abandoned her in her illness)…
Also, WND has another birth document from Kenya same era and the format, font, tablet of paper, wording…all would only give credence to the veracity of this document.
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Here’s a better fake. I mean proof.
http://storyarc.squarespace.com/vault-copy-obama-long-form-bir/
ice
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 pm
The comment tracker indicates nineteen [19] comments have been made, yet, only one comment is displayed. (I thought that I had posted the second comment of this thread, and I had even viewed it after posting. Now, it’s gone. Has there been a hacking?)
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Uh…Hmmmm….Nevermind. The problem seems to have fixed itself.
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 pm
[...] in question is dated February 17, 1964 and uses the phrase “Republic of Kenya” (see here). Still, this is clearly a more compelling document than those issued by those good-for-nothing, [...]
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG !
You are not too bright. That document could have been mailed anywhere in the world after someone requested a copy of it
DA ! you aint too bright !!!
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I believe the Amboy Dukes song “Journey to the Center of the Mind” might explain Orly reasoning.
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Doug,
You missed the part where he was born in Mombasa, Kenya while Mombasa was still part of Zanzibar.
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Kevin,
Interesting point, but I’m not sure what impact it has since Mombasa was incorporated into Kenya before Independence.
Now, if the birthers come up with a Colonial Era birth certificate that mentions the Colony of Kenya, then we’ll know they’re lying.
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:08 pm
This appears to be printed in a kerning font, Times New Roman actually. This is the same thing that Dan Rather and CBS got dinged with on the GWB Air National Guard fake docs. If you’re going to forge something, you should at least take 10 minutes for basic research.
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
No worries, I’m sure they will correct their mistakes and ‘find’ a new new document from another ‘anonymous’s source.
It will never end.
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Re: Andrew Sullivan: Release the birth certificate…
Link to debunking of the Kenyan certificate story and there is also a link wi……
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
QUESTION:
What happens to Judge Sotomayor’s confirmation as Supreme Court Justice if the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” Presidential eligibility requirement is subsequently determined applicable to Barack Obama on the basis of Article 2’s exclusion of dual citizenship birth (doesn’t matter whether Obama born in Hawaii since his dad was Kenyan/British citizen at the time)? It would seem prudent, if not dereliction of Constitutional duty in not so doing, for the United States Senate to defer voting on Judge Sotomayor’s confirmation at the very least until there is determination, now imminent, on standing in Kerchner v. Congress (USDC NJ) on that precise issue (Congressional failure to take up the raised and known constitutional ineligibility question prior to declaring a Presidential winner in the vote of the electoral college). For the full Senate now to proceed to vote to confirm Judge Sotomayor (an otherwise lifetime appointment) before then, would be a knowing and very substantial exacerbation of any inherent Constitutional crisis — compounding the previous Congressional dereliction. That is, the Executive Branch, as well as conceivably all actions of a Congress under a President determined ineligible, would leave the Supreme Court as an essential unfettered remaining Branch of the Federal Government, that is unfettered so long as Mr. Obama’s nominee to the Court is not yet confirmed by the Senate.
Will not one Senator, let alone Republican Senator, raise this issue on the Senate floor? The nation is watching.
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August 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 am
Answer: Nothing. A Supreme Court nomination shouldn’t be held up because of birther nonense and forged documents.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:12 am
I still want to see the original, 1961, Kenyan, long-form, vault copy. Nothing else will do.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 am
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August 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 am
“THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, 1963
…
Chapter VI
Citizenship
87—Persons who become citizens on 12th December, 1963.”
Good job.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:47 am
James Says:
“But, but, but, but, but….you did not address the fold lines.”
strike Four
The letters of a 45 year old document (assuming 1964) typed on a IBM Selectric typewriter would’ve faded in the fold.
^o^
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:00 am
Your last line is thoroughly wrong.
The Birthers are NEVER going to be disappointed, because they will ALWAYS believe (despite mountains of evidence to the contrary) that they are right.
And, why do YOU hate America so much?
= G.K.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:16 am
Well, the embossed seal is all I need to know this is real. I mean, it’s embossed! What more proof do we need?
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:16 am
The reference to the “Republic of Kenya” on 17th February 1964 is enough to prove the document is a forgery.
Though Kenya gained independence on 12th December 1963, the Queen of England remained as Head of State until 12th December 1964. Therefore, Kenya officially became a Republic after December 1964.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 am
And I inherited a 3 million dollars from a wealthy, deceased relative in Kenya… or was that Nigeria… ?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 am
Doesn’t it also list Obama’s mother’s last name as “Obama” when she never took the Obama last name? It even says “Formerly Dunham”.
Really, who do these people think they’re kidding? If you’re going to make a forgery, don’t be a moron and at the very least avoid the stupid mistakes.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 am
But it’s supposed to look legitimate. All forgeries are.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:46 am
So what you’re saying is that as someone born in a British colony, he’s eligible to be President of the US and the Prime Minister as well? That’s awesome! He can lead on three continents if we include Kenya, four with his Indonesian citizenship, and then all that’s needed is some South American and Australian connection. If only he had married Crocodile Maria instead of that Michelle woman….
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:18 am
Well said Doug. I’ll be linking…
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:21 am
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August 3rd, 2009 at 8:36 am
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August 3rd, 2009 at 8:43 am
You are incorrect regarding the government of Kenya.
Check the facts at the CIA World Factbook:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html
Kenya
Independence: 12 December 1963 (from the UK)
Constitution: 12 December 1963; amended as a republic 1964
Regarding your “Strike 1″ point, you are incorrect because you are reading the document wrong. This is not the Birth Certificate, but rather a Certified Copy of the Birth Certificate.
Regarding your “Strike 3″ point, your have no proof of your statement. At the time Kenya surely had documentation of births as it was a recent former colony of Great Britain and documentation was needed by the British and Kenyan governments to document who were truly citizens of Kenya.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:45 am
They’ll never stop…
THEY’LL NEVER STOP…. Last week, Hawaii’s health director apparently checked the president’s birth certificate again, and discovered that Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, and “is a natural-born American citizen.” A nutty right-…
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:56 am
Something tells me that the birthers are going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is.
The birthers will never, ever, ever admit that this document is a forgery. They will clutch it to their heaving bosoms and pet it and hug it and squeeze it and name it George.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 am
As long as Obama refuses to show his actual birth certificate these documents will continue to appear and the suspicions will continue to mount. One has to wonder why he doesn’t do so. Just like his refusal to reveal his college records. If a person has nothing to hide, then there is no reason to be so mysterious. Something smells like rotten fish!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
If this is a forgery, the birthers will never believe. Have you heard ORLY talk? Anyone who disagrees with her is Pro-Obama and isn’t listening to what she is saying. Factcheck.org is invalid because they are pro-Obama and did not go to an unaccredited law school like her. Furthermore, they are not dentists either.
Like all conspiracy nuts, any evidence contrary to their belief is just further proof of the conspiracy. This is not going to go away while Obama is president.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
Uh…. You’ve never seen Catch Me If You Can?
It ain’t hard to fold a forgery… much easier than fact-checking historical data before getting started, it would appear.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 am
Actually you could be in a little trouble with this one. I concede that the document has not be authenticated but there is a motion before the Federal Court to do just that. Your observations of the document are correct but your conclusions are flawed. Strike 1. Correct, Kenya became a Republic in Dec 1963. The documnet was issued AFTER that date therfore the status of Republic would be correct at the time of document issue. Strike 2. Any extract from an original would be certified at a later date reflecting the date that the document was issued by the official in this case 1964. Everything else you state is not substantiated just as the Kenyan document is at this time.. The court now has a document OBAMA better cough up his for the court also.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
[...] It also appears to be the case that Kenya did not declare itself to be the “Republic of Kenya” until December 1964, yet the document in question is dated February 17, 1964 and uses the phrase “Republic of Kenya” (see here). [...]
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
Yeah the creased lines prove its real? Jackass! With enough money the democrats could have gotten Boris Yeltsin elected!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
FYI: If the registration book or the page in the book at the hospital is “missing” or has been tampered with ( forensics can easily determine this ) then the document you see fills criteria for “Best Evidence” and unless OBAMA has someting better he is in deep trouble.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 am
if i were obimbo i would make a fales birth cert. to that way
i can prove its fake and have everyone prove its fake case closed–watch this african
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:38 am
I’d rather have a font analysis instead of your impeccable logic. Worked well for the TANG documents no? On second thought cancel that, all the font experts reside at LGF…
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
The crease lines prove nothing as does this document for the moment. However it will soon be in the hands of the court and if it is authentic he is in deep trouble. There are still many other issues he has hidden which once the courts hear this case on the merits and not dismiss for lack of standing, and they will, he will have to cough up passports, college records , selective service etc etc. He should have done this anyway. He is hiding and it is time that he becomes transparent.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:40 am
411. Looking at the date of request, the paper has not aged 45 years where it’s clear that this is a forgery. Plus, his mother never married his biological father.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:49 am
We “birthers” are not saying it is real. On the contrary the OBOTS have already proclaimed it is a forgery without knowing. We are saying we have a document and we want the court to determine if it is real or not. More than OBAMA has done with his document and he is supposed to be our leader. Shameful that he would let this go on if there is not a problem. By the way we also are not the “conspiracy nuts”. The obots are because “they think” there must be a conspiracy even before a crime has been established. We want to establish the facts then decide if there is or was a conspiracy to hide information.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:51 am
Re: Kenyan Birth Certificate – Discrepancies…
http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/02/the-latest-birther-fantasy-obamas-fake-…...
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:11 am
I stand corrected regarding the dates that Kenya officially became a republic .. However , there may be another explanation such as Mombassa being in the Costal region.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:14 am
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August 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 am
Bottom line is the Court will have this and official independent authorities will authenticate not some .com or annenberg .org outfit. This is what Obama needs to do as well with the COLB he posted and release the vault copy if he wants to be an effective leader. I will not honor him until he does. Passports , college records , selective service everything. We need to clear this up before we go any further.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
The doc says he was born in Mombassa in 1961. But Mombassa was a part of Zanzibar until December of 1963. Which means that any actual birth certificate, if any of this bullshit was true to begin with, would be from Zanzibar, not Kenya.
His birth wouldn’t have been registered in Kenya. If anything, it would be in Tanzania now since Zanzibar is a province in that nation.
F.A.I.L.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 am
Does anyone have any information that indicates Obama’s mother was in Kenya while she was pregnant? I’ve never seen anyone address that. Seems like it would be a pretty simple question to answer.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
This document is a fake. Period. Let’s count the ways: 1. Kenya was not a republic until December 1964; 2. the document was issued on 17 February 1964, a Saturday; 3. the certificate number is 47 044, Obama is 47 years old and he’s the 44th president; 4. EF Lavender [the name of the registrar on the document] is a brand of Kenyan soap, etc.
Only a real dim individual would be dupe by such a blatantly forged document. Obama does not have to “prove” anything. The burden of “proof” is on the so-called birthers, who seem to slip deeper into lunacy with each new attempt at proving the improbable.
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
Whole lot of FAIL coming from these exacerbated birthers in these comment threads.
Man some of you are just powerful stupid. Seriously …
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:58 am
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August 3rd, 2009 at 11:02 am
Personally I expect to see a Nigerian behind this. For a fee, he’ll liberate and mail to you the original document from the bank vault where it now languishes…
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Impeach President Biden.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
“You CANNOT be eligible for the Presidential office if you are born to only one American parent.”
This contradicts at least a hundred years of settled constitutional law, so I’d be curious to see where you’re getting that (unless it’s your ass, in which case please don’t show me). You don’t need any citizen parents if you’re born in the US, and if you’re born outside the US, you only need one citizen parent (who must have lived in the US for 5 years since turning 14).
“So what you’re saying is that as someone born in a British colony, he’s eligible to be President of the US and the Prime Minister as well? That’s awesome!”
Technically, no. If one has dual British/US citizenship, one loses the US citizenship when he takes a policy-level post in British government. I’m not sure if a strict reading the law would disqualify an MP, but anyone at the cabinet or prime minister level loses their US citizenship.
“It shows Obama’s mother to be 18 years old. Wasn’t she 17 when she had him?”
Nope. She was 18 and change. You’re thinking that she wasn’t 19, at which age her status as a citizen would have conferred citizenship on Obama regardless of place of birth.
“Further she needed proof of birth so that Lolo Soetoro could adopt Barry.”
If it’s 1964, Obama’s mother hadn’t met Soetoro yet.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:20 am
Dear Birthers,
With just a few hundred dollars, we can get you GENUINE (not Fake!) Kenyan birth certificate for any US curent or past politicians, including George Washington or for any of you birthers…just pay up. Will this Genuine Kenyan birth certificate proof that you birthers were born in Kenya?
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 am
Using the birthers’ standard, we can establish that almost ALL these birthers were born outside the US; especially in Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda & Pakistan. We can create Genuine birth certificates for them from the above countries.We can then deport them ALL.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 am
MoniQue, the link you gave goes to a post saying that someone in an earlier post disproved the “Republic of Kenya” problem with the document – this is not evidence.
Another poster says “it’s on page 13″. Page 13 contains a link to an Australian newspaper from 1963 saying that Kenyatta’s government “is expected to declare Kenya a republic some time after independence.” – this is not evidence that Kenya was using “Republic of Kenya” before it was declared.
Conspiracy theorists will use any pretext.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:46 am
Dear Obots : At least the document is being put before the court to determine if it is authentic or not…time will tell and this is someting barry is too
big of a coward to do with his on line posted serial numner blacked out COLB let alone release the original which he could do easily. You have to be pretty stupid to not question why barry will not do this unless he lied about something…. something big. To have the document examined BY THE COURT is the proper thing to do. Establish the facts and then decided if there was or was not a conspiracy.. not run off and postulate one like Obot “conspiracy theory nuts” do BEFORE you even know if there is a crime or not.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Well, well, well. Maybe it’s real, maybe it’s not. Let’s find out shall we!
Perhaps you should join our cause and ask that the President disclose his Vital Records.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
RaDena says:
Did you forget your deodorant this morning? Sounds like you could use some E.F. Lavender soap!
David says:
Who gives a f*** what you honor, honestly?
The facts are these. Qualified Hawaiian state officials have affirmed that Obama was, in fact, born in Honolulu, HI, on August 4, 1961. The United States Congress made the determination that Obama was qualified for the Presidency on January 6, 2009, when the results of the Electoral College ballot were tallied and certified. There is literally no mechanism via which Obama can be removed from office at this point, short of impeachment, and that is never going to happen.
The birther movement is grounded in intense racial resentment that a non-white person would have the temerity to run for and win the Presidency of the United States. The only people who are not motivated by this animus are those who are dead-ender Conservative partisans. It is sad that so many people are being suckered into this specious argument.
On a final note, I think it is interesting that so many people who refuse to accept the Hawaiian COLB, verified by Hawaii’s governor and other state officials, are perfectly willing to accept this document which has no official sanction and for which Orly Taitz will give no source other than someone who wishes to remain anonymous “for fear of their life” (cue dramatic music).
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Then let OBAMA cough up the long form certificate to validate the information on the COLB. simple as that.. By the way we are not accepting this document presented by Orly . We are asking the court to authenticate it. Just what Obama should do with his . You might not want to play the race card especially after the GATES fiasco !!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
David and others,
Most people say Obama has released his birth certificate while you and others keep insisting that it’s a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ and not the real document. I’m curious what such a real document looks like. Surely you and your fellow believers have many examples of released birth certificates from Hawaii in the early 60s available for comparison. Can you direct us such examples?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
By the way dummies Rose is a flower… like in Pete Rose. Lavender is a not too uncommon British surname. The court will look at it and determine if it is genuine or not…. NOT YOU !!!! Barry has his numbers falling like acorns off a tree in the fall. He better clear this up in a hurry.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Why not just have it analyzed..
http://www.floridadocumentexaminer.com/about_us.html
These folks may be able to determine its age, it’s what they do.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Can you birthers consider whether or not Orly Taitz is actually a Russian sleeper mole? She’s a Russian immigrant & given the high profile Russian moles in the US—who knows if your favorite birther attorney is trying to destroy the US from within? Can any birther proof that Orly Taitz is not a Russian mole?
Watch out birhers, you might be inadvertently supporting a Russian mole!
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Riz: yet another Obot “conspiracy theory nut” .. Are you not bright enough to know that you establish the facts and ONLY THEN after a crime has been discovered do you ask if multiple persons should or would have reasonably known to determine if there is a conspiracy. Please go back to school and learn how to think if the Kool Aid has not damaged you too badly already.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
You know what else says “Certificate of Live Birth”? My son’s birth certificate. He was born in Maine, so I am pretty sure he’s an American citizen.
And all you birfers need to bone up on your history the next time you try to peddle junk like this. Mombassa was a part of Zanzibar in 1961 and wasn’t turned over to Kenya until 1964. Zanzibar then became part of Tanzania. So if there was a mythical African birth certificate, it would be in Tanzania. NOT Kenya.
Christ, you people are stupid.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
i have an important question for orly taintz.
could i get an appointment to get my teeth cleaned?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I think we all have had enough of .com outfits looking at this issue.. This is part of the problem. Birthers want Obama to release his documents and let the court look at it. Why would you not want to know ?? We should never be afraid to seek answers even if we are afraid of what we might find. We need proper legal authority and experts to look at the Taitz document and OBAMAs document. That is exactly what Orly is asking for. The problem is Obama will not give his to the court and has spent over a million to keep it out of the court. Why is this so hard if everything is OK ?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
it is up to the court now to prove this is a real or fake document chairman obama could have proved all the ” BIRTHERS ” wrong but chose not to by keeping all his records sealed ,thus he must be hiding something, if he is legitimate let us get on in our recovery of our Nation if he is a usurper let him be dragged from our W/H and sent to prison for treason. personally I think he is hiding something and will never consider him my president till he proves it, happy BD chairman OBAMA now ” WHERES YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE “
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
David, instead of calling me names proof that Orly Taitz is not a Russian mole. I am just giving you a dose of your own medicine, painful, eh?
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Don’t know if this Kenyan doc is authentic, but is certainly has bot nation spinning like mad. Unfortunately practically everything little Dougie M has written is misleading, or outright false.
For what it’s worth, Kenya adopted its current national flag, its constitution, and its national anthem on December 12, 1963.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
If you believe in Obama that is fine with me. If you believe in him you must recognize that his hiding is destroying his ability to lead and he needs to get this out in the open with the documemnts. His numbers are falling fast and people are asking why he will not do this and the longer he waits the worse it will get. Even many who support him are now saying what is he hiding.. and he is hiding something. Maybe he was born in Hawaii and lied about his dad being Obama Sr…. who knows maybe nothing but Obama is brilliant he must know this is destroying trust.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
David, stop changing the subject: proof that Ms. Orly Taitz is not a Russian mole.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
David, we *do* know. Obama is a citizen because his mom was. End of discussion.
Don’t like that? Tough.
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Not at all sweetheart. I am just not a “conspiracy nut” like those who postualate one, like you did, before they know if there was a crime. Fact is we do not know so let Obama give us the documents and then we will. The problem is he would rather spend over a million hiding them.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Get real: The subject is OBAMA and his qualifications or lack thereof and if the latest document real or otherwise to call that into question.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Severn890, FYI Kenya became independent in 1964 & adopted republic form of governance in December 1964. Most former British colonies in African, first became independent & later adopted the form of governance they most liked/wanted.
David is also right in that in 1961, Mombassa was part of Zanzibar & this fake document would have come from Tanzania not Kenya.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Severn890, I meant Kenya became independent in 1963
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Hey birthers, why do you not accept that fact that Obama and HI officials are following HI law as to the legel documents that can be released concerning his birth in the state? How do you explain two Honolulu newspapers having his birth announcement in their paper’s archives? Answer this or give it a rest.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I see the usual “WAAAAHHH! OBAMA GAVE A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, NOT HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE” crap.
QUESTION: When one needs to prove their birth was in Hawaii, what is the OFFICIAL government document provided by the state for PROOF.
Answer: A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH!!!
Man, you people are stupid. Obama presented THE document from the official state government of Hawaii that is accepted as official nationwide. Therefore, please STFU. (Or at least STFU until George W. Bush produces his magically disappearing service records. CHORTLE! SNARF!)
Oh, yeah. While you’re sitting in your little conspiracy cocoon, you might ask yourself why there are two birth announcements in Hawaii newspapers. Oooooh, how sneaky Obama’s mother was.
Birthers really are dumb as a bag of rocks.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
David, it’s funny that you’re willing to entertain the conspiracy that Obama was not born in the USA; yet you don’t want to even CONSIDER a mere possibility that your cheerleader conspiracy queen Orly Taitz, a recent Russian immigrant, might be a Russian mole.
Surely, this says tons about you, doesn’t it?
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Don’t know if this Kenyan doc is authentic, but is certainly has bot nation spinning like mad.
It’s not so much “spinning” as “laughing at your gullibility until we pee our pants.”
By the way, David, did you know that the word “gullible” is not in the dictionary? I bet Orly will send out her next press release about that so you can start telling us all that Obama needs to show us his dictionary and prove to all of us he has a real American dictionary without that word in it.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
According to Lee Atwater, 60 years ago you called people “n!gger”. And it worked. But when that stopped working, you had to do things that benefited whites over blacks.
And now it’s all about “a birth certificate”.
I love the people who say this isn’t racial. Like jimbo..
“# jimbo Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 am
if i were obimbo i would make a fales birth cert. to that way
i can prove its fake and have everyone prove its fake case closed–watch this african”
Yeah, watch that african, jimbo. This isn’t racial. Nope, not at all.
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
You OBOTS are clearly deluded. This document if it is real is damning evidence that your precious Chocolate Jesus is a fraud. If it is a forgery then this is even more damning because it is clearly an attempt to obfuscate the very serious fact that Barry Soetelo is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. So either way you lose, suckers. Please try harder.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Watch out birhers, you might be inadvertently supporting a Russian mole!
Given a choice between having a black man in the White House and supporting a subversive Russian mole, the birthers do not even hesitate about who they side with…
Racism in the morning…How intoxicating, stimulating, invigorating, and powerfully effective against the “ravages of intelligence”!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
[...] shows none of the obvious traits of a hoax,” many have found a couple hints. Like the fact that the registration record is from 1964- three years after Obama was born. Or the fact that [...]
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Where do Dave and the others get off telling us that “the court has to authenticate it” ya’ll need to read the Federal Rules of Evidence before spouting nonsense. It is up to the lawyer that presents the document to the court to authenticate it. What, you are expecting the court to somehow appoint an “expert witness” to somehow authenticate a piece of crap that the lawyer has not made any attempt to authenticate themselves? Nah gahn happen. Orly hasn’t done her homework and the Judge will probably tell her so in words of one syllable, or perhaps more, one of those words being “sanctions”.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
“Chocolate Jesus” nope not racist at all. Please.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
We should consider all fact and fiction in the court of law. All that we are discussing is heresay. Put both documents on trial to prove its autheniticity. Just have the court be open to the public and not behind a closed meeting.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I love the birthers lecturing others on ‘prudence’ and asking the media to investigate. So, the rest of us are going to take lessons on truth value from pathological liars now, eh? No. Not just no, Hell NO! The rest of us are not going to jump through every hoop you guys haul out simply because you don’t have the integrity to accept one very simple reality, Obama is President.
Deal with it.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I think Orly had donne her part of the authenication and put her “career” as a lawyer on it. Let’s see Obama just release his Certificate of Live Birth (NOT Certification) and put his reputation on the line. Dare, double dare….
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Interestingly, Obama was on the GATES fiasco in seconds but still completely silence on this brewing issue. He should just prove the Birthers wrong and move on but it cause unrepairable damage to his reputation.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
David, Obama has proven that he a natural born citizen. Your contention that he has not done so is a lie. It is not a mistake. It is not an alternative point of view. It is a lie. You can rationalize it all you want. You can shift goal posts. You can play semantics, and you can play any other game you want to here, but you are lying. No more and no less.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Russian mole? Who cares. I think Orly should be Chinese instead so we have a Chinese mole instead. Maybe we will have a judge autheniticating the documents to be chinese. hahah.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
The longer Obama waits to release his BC, the more suspicion that it is fake. Why is he dragging his feet on this. He is smart and he knows this is substantially hurting him.
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
You know this is not even funny anymore. Our tax money is paying the court to hear this frivolous crap of a law suit. The person/s bringing this action should be held in contempt, prosecuted, and sentenced to the maximum sentence possible. These people need to be institutionalized, they are a danger to the public, and tax payers dollars. Bunch of IGNORANT MORONIC IDIOTS!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Aston Kim said; “Russian mole? Who cares…Maybe we will have a judge autheniticating the documents to be chinese”
I am amazed at the ignorance of the birthers movement. My question is this: if you bring a case up in court, who has the burden of proof?
FYI, birther fools: the burden of poof always lies with the person who lays charges; in this case the burden of proof is on the birthers & their chearleaders. Do your homework or shut up! Period. Obama doesn’t need to do anything.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
LIKE DOBBS SAYS:
RELEASE THE DAMN LONG FORM BC OBAMA AND END THIS.
WHY ARENT YOU?
YOUR KOOL-AID DRINKING VOTERS DONT CARE.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
IT HAS A SEAL AND SIGNATURE.
YOU DIDNT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
OMG!!
THIS ONE HAS A SEAL AND SIGNATURE.
THAT IS MORE THAN THE ONE OBAMA SHOWED US FROM HAWAII.
SINCE THIS ONE LOOKS MORE REAL THAN THE OTHER ONE I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS REAL AND THE OTHERONE IS FAKE.
OBAMA CAN PROVE ME WRONG BY RELEASING THE ONE WITH A SEAL AND SIGNATURE AND HOSPITAL AND DOCTOR AND TIME OF BIRTH.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
“3) According to the Certified Copy itself, the original recording is made in book 44B, page 5733. Where’s the book? If it’s missing or the hospital claims they cannot find it, that does not disprove anything. In fact it looks highly suspicious.”
44B? B as in Barack Obama, the 44th President?
Now do you want me to break down 5733 for you? You won’t like that, either.
Whoever created this fake had a LOT of fun with it.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
It also has Obama Sr.’s age incorrect, yes? He was not 26 when Obama Jr. was born.
Anyway I’m sure these errors will be corrected in the next forgery and the game will continue.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:22 pm
THAT IS MORE THAN THE ONE OBAMA SHOWED US FROM HAWAII.
WOW, YOU’RE A MORON! THE ONE OBAMA SHOWED US FROM HAWAII HAS A SEAL AND SIGNATURE, TOO!
(Sorry to everyone else for the all-caps, but I thought I should probably respond in Idiot Language to see if I can get through to him/her. It’s probably a hopeless case, though.)
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:22 pm
The truth about the latest birthers’ “smoking gun”:
“NOTICE: This image is a work of parody and political commentary. It is not a genuine government document. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. A certified copy of his birth record is freely available online. If you thought this was Obama’s real birth certificate, a “smoking gun” proving he’s not a natural-born citizen, then congratulations. You are an idiot. I made this from scratch. It is completely fake, and no document from Kenya or the United Kingdom resembles it. Obama’s president, and will be for the next 3 1/2 to 7 1/2 years. Get used to it.”
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Yeah right!!..Alan Keyes is rascist against blacks?? He is black and it is HIS court case that Orly is pursuing..duhhh
Take your accusations of rascisim and shove them up your rascist rear…you voted for a man that promised to destroy and screw this country every witcha way, because he WAS a black man..you rascists…
I voted for Keyes not because he is black but because I believe in how he stood on the issuses…He is a man of God..
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:30 pm
So, we have a birth cert from Kenya, for a guy born in the city of Mombasa, which wasn’t actually in Kenya at the time, it was in Zanzibar.
The supposed pre-printed form uses a TrueType font, Times New Roman, and the impact typewriter hasn’t faded, or abraded over 45 years.
So, this is a fake, and not a very good one at that.
For the “Long Form Birth Certificate”. The one released is the official HI birth cert form. The format requirements used were specified by the US State Department in 2003. HI destroyed all paper birth certs in 2001; as has at least 30 other states, storing paper is expensive, storing bits is cheap. So a “long form birth cert” doesn’t exist anymore. If you happen to have one in the closet somewhere then that’s basically the only way your going to get one, and does anyone believe that any of the Birther’s are going to accept it? So all these calls for Obama to release an official long form cert, that you can’t actually get, is justification for what exactly.
But I’m just a guy on the internet, so I have no more, or less, credibility than Oily Taint, or anyone else. But, with 20 minutes of Google use, you can add some logic around the arguments. You don’t justify your argument by quoting me, or some other random blog or commenter. Look at things like the official State of Hawaii site, or the US State department site.
Of course, this whole birther nonsense is based references of opinions of other opinions of people who are easily confused, informed by a group of people that are as dumb as a box of hair, or brilliant, depending on your perspective.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:30 pm
fail.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
[...] a document, but seems to be conning the birther right, and having fun doing so. This today at Doug Mataconis’s blog: There are various internal inconsistencies that have been pointed out that suggest that the Kenyan [...]
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
[...] level of aliens landing in Roswell, JFK and the grassy knoll, and the CIA assassinating Elvis. His “Kenyan birth certificate” is hysterically fake (example: the “notary” on the birth certificate, EF Lavender, is [...]
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
The COLB is an EXTRACT from the Long form just as the document Orly is investigating is an extract. Whenever such documents are questioned you verify by going to the source document. FACT: the ONLY document Obama released himself is invaid because the serial number was sanitized for no reason as it does not contain any personal information. Major mistake on his part.
Regarding the Kenyan cert. if there is a picture there is a document somewhere. If there is a document forensics will be able to date the Kenyan certificate with a high degree of accuracy . If it was from 1964 it IS NOT A FORGERY and I am certain they are working on this right now ! We will just have to wait to see.
I will not accept any .com or .org outfit as the proper venue to authenticate Obamas or Orlys certificate and thus Vet a President. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Obama could stop this at any time .. or perhaps he can not as he is hiding something .. that is a given. This is the best mystery story in 50 years and I cannot wait to see how this plays out !!! The truth is probably going to blow all of our minds it is so filled with druggy scuzzy people in Obamas past and intrigue !!!
Has anyone seen the nude pics of Obamas Momma ? Could it be she was in bed with Franky ( Frank Marshal Davis communist child rapist). Was she Anne the 13 year old girl he raped ? Is this this big secret ? Did she get pregant by Franky and then duped Obama Sr. into claiming paternity ? Did she finally tell Barry when he was ten and that is why he left Indonesia to go see his real father ? Come on Barry spill it. We know you know the truth and it is in the documents you have sealed. Come out of closet. The attorneys will not stop until they force you out so you might as well come out now. So many questions and OBAMA HAS THE ANSWER !!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I shall now put on my tinfoil hat and goggles, as emanations from my monitor may infect me with their nutbaggery.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:52 pm
“The only reason I can think that someone would do that would be to hide as many of the obvious forgery flaws as they could.”
To be fair, FactCheck also shows photographs of the COLB, presumably to help establish that it isn’t just a photoshop. Also, one of their pictures is shot in such a way as to bring out the texture of the government seal’s impression.
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
To all of you who keep saying Obama should “release his original birth certificate”:
IT’S. NOT. HIS. TO. RELEASE.
It’s the Hawaiian government’s.
And their position is “We’ve told you twice, the certificate you’ve already seen is genuine. Our archives are not open to the public. End of story.”
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Also:
Why is that form only in English? Kenya has two official languages. That particular form would be useless to a Swahili-speaker. And despite what you may believe about “government inefficiency”, they sure as hell wouldn’t have printed two sets of forms.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Allen Stevens said –
You mean it’s similar to the frivolous crap of a law suit brought by Al Gore in November, 2000? How many of you Obama supporters were Gore supporters in 2000? How many of you were frothing at the mouth about how Bush was “selected” not elected? How many of you were up in arms about the “disenfranchisement” of Florida voters, that never happened? How many of you put the He’s not MY president bumpersticker on your car? Kind of like Barbara Boxer who refused to consider the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee the real chairman even though the Republicans were the majority in the Senate at the time!
Cut me some slack!
In other words, now the tables have turned. There is a SERIOUS question as to whether or not Barack Obama is a naturally born citizen. That means both parents must have been born in the U.S. and be citizens, too. Obama’s daddy doesn’t meet that requirement. This is why he is withholding all documents. Anyone can say his father was born in Kenya (even The B.O. himself!), but without the documentation, there’s no proof.
This shouldn’t be about the location of Obama’s birth. I for one believe he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii in August, 1964. But I know for a fact that his father was born in Kenya. Which makes Barack Obama constitutionally ineligible to hold the office of president.
This is what a court should decide. I just hope they force The B.O. to hand over all relevant documents and make them public. I also hope they rule on the law, and not on their fear that there will be riots if The B.O. has to leave office.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Wrong Thlayi. He could do this with a Phone call or FAX.. he just refuses and is hiding something BIG..
Obama could stop this at any time .. or perhaps he can not as he IS hiding something .. that is a given. This is the best mystery story in 50 years and I cannot wait to see how this plays out !!! The truth is probably going to blow all of our minds Bithers and Obots it is so filled with druggy scuzzy people in Obamas past and intrigue !!!
Has anyone seen the nude pics of Obamas Momma ? Could it be she was in bed with Franky ( Frank Marshal Davis communist child rapist). Was his mother Stanley Ann Dunham .. Anne the 13 year old girl Frank raped ? Is this this big secret ? Did she get pregant by Franky and then duped Obama Sr. into claiming paternity because Franky was marrid to a cash cow who was supporting him and he did not want to give this up? Did she finally tell Barry when he was ten and that is why he left Indonesia to go see his real father ? Was Obama Sr. in love with her ? Did he end up dying drunk in auto accident over the affair? Are the rumors that Obama had a homosexual relationship with Davis not true because Davis was his father ? It this why Barry was so screwed up he got involved with a crack ho? Come on Barry spill it. We know you know the truth . Come out of closet. So many questions and OBAMA HAS THE ANSWER !!! America trusted you now trust them with the truth.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
“Why doesn’t he just release all of his documents and clear all of this up?”
Maybe because:
1) No one who even considers this kind of crap will ever vote for a liberal black man, and
2) Every time a Birther opens his or her mouth, a reasonable, center-right Republican becomes an Independant, or a moderate Independant becomes a Democrat
This stuff is very much like Terry Schiavo, in that you people have no idea what kind of damage you are doing to your movement. There are a lot of moderate centrists in this country who are marginally closer to the Republican party on policy issues than they are to the Democrats, but who cannot bring themselves to vote for the (R). That’s because you make them feel like you are not the sort of rational, stable people they would want to see running the country. You scare them, frankly, even when they think you’re more correct about something policy-wise than the Democrats.
As a liberal, I wouldn’t be giving you this Golden advice if I thought for one moment that you would take it. But I know you won’t.
Keep this up and we’ll have 63 Dems in the Senate after 2010 (open seats in NH, OH, and MO). Or 64 if John Ensign is forced out for using campaign $$$ as hush money.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
David, you’re my favorite birther comedian/lunatic…it’s time for you to take your medicine!
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Birther lunatics, instead of hiding behind conspiracies/rallying behind potential Russian moles; why don’t you birthers come out openly & declare that President Obama can’t continue being the US President because he’s BLACK! At least this would be honest on your part, birthers.
Any birther brave enough?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Riz: Thanks sweetheart. I am glad I am your favorite !!! I once was told something by a very good forensic pathologist his name was Dr. Benz..We called it Benz’s Axiom. He said ” think dirty and you will be right 99% of the time”. Ihave yet to disprove Him !! There is real scuz around Obama, that is a fact so much so he calls it his “LOST YEARS” and like his documents refuses to talk about it. I cannot wait till we “find them”. This just gets better and better. He will get flushed out of the closet he is hinding in. I bet it will blow your mind and mine as well. Did you see the Nude pics of Obama’s Momma?
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Riz: It is not wise to play the race card in light of the Gates incident !!! Of course unless you still want to call officer Crowley a racist too. Come up with something better as that one does not work anymore.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
You cannot get a passport with a COLB. My nephew tried and was told by the US government that he had to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate. In fact, in Hawaii itself, you can’t get much of anything including student financial aid with a COLB. All it does is prove you were born. Nothing else.
I am not saying that this Kenya “birth certificate” is real or not. I don’t know if it is.
But you who are depending on what Obama has offered as proof of a birth certificate, you are sadly mistaken. It proves nothing. It would have cost Obama probably between $20-30 to get a certified copy of his birth certificate. Instead the DNC has spent $2M in legal fees fighting its disclosure. Don’t you wonder why?
I do know that a birth certificate is revised when the child is adopted. If you were adopted and obtained your certified copy of your birth certificate, you would find the only thing that you could get was the revised birth certificate. Just a thought.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
The Original:
Good thoughts and rational. The most damning thing is “Obama the Transparent” continues to hide and the estimate of 2 million spent so far to keep whatever it is from us is resonable as well. This is a lot of money to hide something !! It must be really good.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
WHEN THEY FIND OUT FOR SURE THAT HE IS NOT AMERICAN-DOES HE
GO TO JAIL OR HANG HIM FOR TREASON HOPE THEY HANG HIM OR
SHOOT HIM THEY GOT MY VOTE
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
If this is a hoax, I hope readers in Kenya realize how important – and valuable – the actual birth certificate would be. Please keep looking.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Jimbo: Who knows .. if treason then I am in favor of the gallows.. We have had not had one of those in a long time. Of course if it turns out to be a conspiracy (which only the Obot ” conspiracy theory nuts” conjecture right now in an effort to refute the argument ) he should have some company.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Yes, we all know for a fact his father wasn’t born in this country! Did you just find this out? (It doesn’t actually affect his ability to become president, of course! If it did, why wouldn’t anybody have brought it up sooner?)
Why are you acting like that is some shameful secret he’s trying to cover up? Next you’ll be ranting and raving about how he got some black woman pregnant. Not once but twice!
Oh and let me say I love the wingnut telephone game, where it started out as an accusation that he was born in a madrassah and now it has something to do with Mombassa.
But do keep it coming old chaps. You’re like Heaven’s Gate with less fashion sense and coordination.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I have a certified birth certificate in my hand, mine. It says “Certification of Live Birth” on the top, and I used it to get a passport. I don’t know a guy who knew a guy, I am the guy.
The photo’s we’ve all seen of Obama’s birth certificate are exactly compliant with the US State Departments 2003 documentation standard, the last time it was updated, and this format is excepted as valid identification for any State or Federal need when presented with a valid photo ID. There can be no argument.
Several states have shortened the official title of the document from “Certificate of Live Birth” or “Certification of Live Birth” to “birth certificate” for informal communications.
Most states moved from paper based documents to microfiche in the 70’s and 80’s, as those were easier to store and lasted longer in a typical warehouse situation. As more and more records moved to electronic copies, most states moved from microfiche to either scanned copies or just the content, i.e. OCR’d data in a database for birth records. For instance, in Ohio in the 80’s you wanted a copy of your birth certificate, you had to go to the county you lived in and request it, they went to a microfiche reader, and printed a copy and stamped it. It was then valid, only with the stamp. Now, the forms are pre-printed, and the data from the database is used to fill in the form, then it’s stamped and notorized, that’s the part that makes it official. You can go to state offices, many times the BMV/DMV office and get a copy of your “Certificate of Live Birth” since they can print it out on the spot, it allows greater flexibility for the citizen, and it’s cheaper for the state.
You can examine the standard types of ID used for passports, and yes, Obama’s meets all requirements by looking at the passport application here–> http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/100004.pdf
If you examine the application for requesting your Hawaii docs, you’ll note there is no place to request a “Long Form” birth certificate, or a photocopy, mainly because there isn’t anything like that. –>http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf
As has been stated many times, this isn’t a story, this is a valid “birth certificate”. To assume that it’s a conspiracy, the document itself is the least damning piece of evidence possible, go and request your own, in whatever state you live, and it will look 90% the same, as the US State Department requires the same info, and that’s all that the states put on the doc. At this point, anyone who argues about it just looks demented.
This is the internet and all, so most folks who are posting about this probably don’t believe it, it’s just a fun thing to egg people on, commenter David’s like Stephen Colbert, satirist; see I’ve spent 10 minutes writing this instead of mowing the grass, so that perpetuates the discussion.
There were a few nutty left wingers, and supporters of other republicans, in the primary and general election that argued the same thing about McCain since he was, in fact, not born in the US, he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, but since that was a US Territory, he’s a natural born American, and a US Citizen, as is the President.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
It isn’t funny. It is very serious. 10 mins of Obama could resolve this issue voluntary as the President of the US should be forecoming about his proclaimed transparency to the public. No need to hide if there is nothing to hide.
You haven’t been inform of the Kenya Certificate submitted for Court Authentication. He doesn’t have to do anything yet..but the court is the other party that can request the Certificate of live birth from Hawaii.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I don’t think it would be treason. However, it could be perjury if he signed things under oath regarding his validity as Presidential nominee.
All of the bills that he signed as President would no longer be valid.
Biden would not be VP because the election would probably be invalidated so that would mean that Pelosi would be President at least until another election could be held. That is if it could be proven that she did not know about the deceit. If she did, I would imagine she would be kicked out of Congress. SCOTUS would get involved. Without Sotomayor. Congress just would not vote on her nomination.
It could mean a fatal blow to the Democrat Party. If Obama was not a viable Presidential nominee and the DNC knew it, the DNC could be sued to the point that they would be penniless.
It would just be a mess. Pelosi would not be who you would want at the head of state. The riots of the 1960s would look like a junior high dance.
There are so many bad things that could come out of this if it is proven that the Kenyan “birth certificate” is correct. We don’t know if it is or not. It would be so much easier if Obama would allow his birth certificate to be released.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Birthers have to be the craziest stupidest people in the history of America. And that’s saying a whole helluva lot.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
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August 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Jimbo – I think what you said about “hanging” and “shooting” the President could be construed as a threat. I would be careful about what I say about the President of the United States. Being crazy & stupid isn’t a defense.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Riley, Obama’s COLB is not a birth certificate. Does your “Certificate of Live Birth” have the name and signature of your doctor on it? That would make it a birth certificate. My state has both long and short forms for birth certificates. My nephew in 1999 was not given a passport because he offered his short form or COLB. He had to get a certified copy of his birth certificate.
In my state, birth and death certificates look almost identical except what it says on the top of the certificate. My COLB is actually the size of a credit card, and it is embossed.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
All the Magic Negro has to do is admit he was born in Kenya and this will all go away.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Also, if your speculation is correct and the president is not a citizen, then he can’t be tried for treason, as he’s not a citizen.
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one’s sovereign or nation.
But his Mom was a citizen, or did I miss something, so he’d have dual citizenship, so I suppose you could maneuver the facts into treason.
Since this all would have happened when the president was roughly 0 years old, how would he have perpetrated it? Time machine, that’s pretty much Occam’s razor explanation for this to be some sort of conspiracy. That, or his mother was some sort of prophet, which the birther’s probably don’t want to touch with a 10 foot pole.
Or since he would have been also a British citizen if he was born in Kenya, a British colony when he was born. So that means he’s a spy for MI6, and the Brits were setting it up for the last 50 years, and they’re plan was to get a Brit elected president. They knew that the civil rights movement would progress to the point where a mixed race child in the 60’s to grow up to be president. Those Brits, wow are they good.
Or maybe this is all just BS?
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
BTW to insane crazy birther lunatics: I had to get a copy of my BC because to get my passport this year… I had lost the copy of my BC that I had had before. So I got one sent to me. The one the state sent me says “CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH” on top. It looks similar to the one Obama put up (mine’s from a different state, so of course it doesn’t look exactly the same.) And yes, I was able to get my passport with it.
This whole thing about an “original birth certificate” is so bloody insane. If you ask for your BC, that’s what you get. That’s it! There’s nothing more to see!
Also the BS rumor about Obama spending millions of dollars to keep his original horse crap. The crazy birthers are basically assuming that all of the money that Obama has paid to his lawyers is for that reason – but there’s really no proof that’s what he’s paying his lawyers for. None. It’s a complete fabrication. The entire birther theory is nothing but nonsense.
Birthers are morons.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty, not where he was born. Other want to know more but it is a legitimate question to ask about their POTUS.
“Obama wrote in his autobiography that he had a birth certificate that caused him to question his own identity”. So, there are multiple copies of the long form BC. Hawaii needs Obama or a court order to release the vaulted BC. The Certification of Live Birth is ok when there’s no question about the person’s identity in question, but when there is a question the Long Form provide additional details that can be cross-reference for validity (Hospital, doctor).
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
The original:
It is kinda one of those things dammed if you do and damned if you don’t. The problem is the longer this gets drug out the deeper it gets if he is not qualifed which, even if he were born in the Lincoln bedroom he MAY not be a Natural born citizen as most scholars agree this requires 2 citizen parents AND US born. Think about it. The founders wanted to give the BEST chance to have the President and Commander in Chief of the military without a divied loyalty. SO if you were drafting the consitution what would be MOST important especially given the paternal nature of our laws at the time. Born in the US ( British soldiers had kids here ) or raised by Parents ( especially father ) with an undivded loyalty ( US citizen and not British ) which is at the heart of the matter. Obviously the parental heritage trumps. Obamas father was Kenyan and would have a divided loyalty. Natural Born Citizen mens BOth parnets US citizens and Born here. Best Chance of loyalty.
There is the whole passport issue too. Obama is in deep trouble if this hits the courts and this is why he is fighting with everything he has to keep this out. I have thought it would be better if we did not know at one point but this is hiding and we should never hide from discovery of truth. He needs to release his documents. Riots or not. Best if he comes clean but he is not the type to do this and would (rather see us burn) … (my opinion. )
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
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August 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm
No, my “Certificate of Live Birth” does not have a Dr.s signature. The thing you get in the hospital with your little foot print and the Doc’s signature is not an official birth certificate; if your hospital had it stamped and witnessed by a Notary, not a certainty in the 60’s as mine is framed on my wall and doesn’t and I was born in a very large hospital in Cincinnati, then it may be, but it’s not certain as not all the info is on the form that’s required by the State Dept.
Like I said earlier, most states have moved to a paperless format, only printed on demand and not stored as either microfiche or a scanned image.
I was in Alabama, buying an old car earlier this summer, and the seller needed his birth certificate, it was at the county courthouse on Microfiche, it was a copy of the original from the hospital, and they printed it and stamped it so he could change the title over, and there they said that it’s up to the county to computerize and they haven’t had the budget to do it. So, it’s not universal yet, but Hawaii did it in 2001, its a small state so the transition is relatively easy, imagine New York, with a huge population, and you have to transition everyone, whether alive or not as you can’t differentiate by hand, it’s a huge job.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
One thing that I find very amusing is that after 8 years of those on the left calling Bush all kind of names, obscene and otherwise, lying about things he was supposed to have done, and perpetuated all kinds of things about the man that just were not true (such as his IQ), the left is just going bananas. Now, when the shoe is on the other foot, the left is going crazy over the treatment of Obama. The left should have thought about that about 8 years ago.
It sure gives me a good chuckle. It is like Obama should be untouchable even though Bush was not. It is such great theatre.
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Aston; Exactly. The COLB is fine UNTIL it is questioned then you must produce the source document ( long form vault copy )to verify the information and he refuses. And for this observation we are called idiots and worse !!! Let them scream all they want.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
As for spending $2million to challenge this, same thing happened in Alaska to Sarah Palin. When you get sued, your obligated to defend yourself. There, the number was something like $300k, but that’s just the cost of business.
Bush v. Gore in 2000 cost everyone millions, the campaigns hired lawyers, the government had to set it up, the Supreme Court had to adjudicate it, all money either well spent, or burned depending on your perspective.
This whole thing is such a time suck, a conspiracy so vast wouldn’t allow any proof to be found. So it’s all BS, or a vast left wing conspiracy and the only solution is what, move to Canada. I don’t buy the conspiracy because there is nothing that seems to be a legitimate shred of evidence that contradicts the simplest explanation, he was born in HI.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Response to David:
“The COLB is fine UNTIL it is questioned then you must produce the source document”
“questioned” – who is it “questioned” by? Obviously it was never questioned by anyone significant as Obama was able to get his passport. Just because a bunch of racist right wing lunatics are “questioning” something that’s an obvious fact doesn’t mean crap. Furthermore the State of Hawaii has said that it is the real deal on multiple occasions. There’s nothing more to see here. You guys keep asking for more, there’s nothing more. That’s it! If that doesn’t make you happy then you are bloody INSANE.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
The original:
Like I wrote earlier there is so much sleaze ball crap around Obama when we learn the truth it will probably blow all of our minds. I saw some stuff, nothing concrete, but kinda makes sense that Frank Marshall Davis is his dad and not Obama Sr. Obamas mom was such a slut that this is not out of bounds. Saw some pics of Davis in his younger years and I have to tell you he looks more like Obama than ” his daddy”. All just speculation but this is getitng better by the minute. Maybe this is why he is hiding like a scared kid in the closet.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
It’s obvious as day that the people saying Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii are only doing so because of their own problems with having a black “socialist” as President. That’s your own personal issue, idiots. We (the American people) voted for President Obama. He’s our President. That’s how democracy works. If you don’t like – go somewhere! Yeah that’s right! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT, bitches!
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
“The thing you get in the hospital with your little foot print and the Doc’s signature is not an official birth certificate.”
No, I agree with that. However, a birth certificate is produced and recorded by the hospital. It does have the doctor’s name and signature on it. Just like the person who will certify your death.
In a former job that I had, I had to order and pick up death certificates. I also had to deal with birth certificates. They are all microfiched usually starting some time in the the early 1900s depending on the state. FYI, only the person or the family of that person for whom the birth certificate relates can order a birth certificate.
How antiquated is Alabama that would require a birth certificate to purchase a car. Never, ever heard of something like that happening. I would think it would be more important that they produce proof of insurance.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Where is heaven’s name did anyone get the idea that both parents have to be U.S. citizens for a child to be a U.S. citizen? For most of our history, NEITHER parent had to be a U.S. citizen so long as the child was born on U.S. soil. In fact, this is one of the things those railing about illegal immigration were citing as an outrage. A pregnant illegal immigrant managed to make it onto U.S. soil, gave birth, and the child was automatically a U.S. citizen. Laws passed within the last 20 years or so have changed that, but just being born in another country does not automatically make a child a citizen of that country either. And yes, I did look it up. In the law books, not some birther website.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Response to David:
“there is so much sleaze ball crap around Obama”
Like what?!?! For a mainstream politician Obama is about as pure as it gets. The only thing around Obama are a bunch of baseless rumors spread by nutball conspiracy theorists like yourself.
“when we learn the truth it will probably blow all of our minds”
Yes the truth that President Obama was born in Hawaii does blow your mind, that’s obvious. You can’t accept having a black liberal man as President so you’ve created a fantasy world alternative without a shred of evidence to support your alternate world theory.
“but kinda makes sense that Frank Marshall Davis is his dad and not Obama Sr” / “Saw some pics of Davis in his younger years and I have to tell you he looks more like Obama than ” his daddy”.
Where to even start with this? So you are just randomly looking for people that look like Obama and then saying they might be his father? Jesus Christ. That’s a bit of a stretch isn’t it? And furthermore, who fucking cares? What’s that have to do with anything? Why do you care who Obama’s father was? What does that have to do with who Obama is in 2009? What does that have to do with him being elected President by millions of votes in November of 2008? He’s our President. GET OVER IT. YOU LOST!
“Obamas mom was such a slut that this is not out of bounds.”
You are a true asshole.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Marvin: It is not smart to play the RACIST CARD after the Gates incident. You will have to come up with something better. I do not care what “one person in Hawaii” says I want to see the source document long form which he still has not produced.The fact that Hawaii came out to say again that is his COLB is accurate WITHOUT producing the document makes it worse not BETTER. PRODUCE THE DAMN DOCUMENT !!! Until he does this will get worse and worse. If really you believe ther is no problem yourself why are you not in favor of it too?
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
The car thing was because he didn’t have a proper means of ID for the Title transfer, he’d lost his license or some other thing. But for a ‘70 Chevelle, they didn’t have a Title like I think of them, it was a copy of the original bill of sale, with his copy of the bill of sale to me, stapled together with the county clerks stamp on it. It was weird so I called Ohio and asked if I was getting ripped off.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Have you seen the nude pics of Obama’s Momma ? Go drink SOME KOOL AID. Clean Politician as they go. Try selling this to somone else. It is so scuzzy he calls it his ‘Lost Years” and refuses to talk about it. Google Frank Marshall Davis Obama then look at telegraph.uk. His mentor was a communist child rapist who enjoyed getting pissed on as it turned him on!!! Good grief man.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:21 pm
“As for spending $2million to challenge this, same thing happened in Alaska to Sarah Palin. When you get sued, your obligated to defend yourself.”
The difference is that Sarah Palin and the state of Alaska were having to deal with something that could not be easily handled as easily as producing something that would only cost $20-30. Obama is not defending himself against anything except the release of his birth certificate, not against baseless charges.
“Bush v. Gore in 2000 cost everyone millions,”
And the outcome was the Gore lost both the lawsuit and the election. It was found that Gore’s suit did not change a thing. He would have still lost.
I think probably Obama was born in Hawaii. I do think there is something on the Birth Certificate that would cause some trouble for Obama. Otherwise . . . why not just produce and release it? That is all he has to do. What he has produced is not a birth certificate. And he was adopted after his birth by Soetoro. That would have revised his birth certificate. As you have seen, the COLB is not revised.
McCain had to go through an entire hearing to prove that he was eligible to run as President. And he was born to a military family who were living in a territory of the United States as a part of McCain’s father’s military assignment.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
The Original:
Do the responses from the Obama crowd remind you of the “kids at school” that the only thing they could do is throw a tantrum and call you names ??? “Racist” … “conspiracy nut” Kinda like the Harvard professor Gates !!!! This must be a syndrome as it it off the charts.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 pm
“I do not care what “one person in Hawaii” says I want to see the source document long form which he still has not produced.”
“one person in Hawaii” – umm.. no the government of Hawaii, you lunatic. I don’t care what you want to see and neither does President Obama. What you’ve seen is already more proof than we’ve ever had for the birthplace of a President. No Prez has ever made his BC public before. That’s what’s so humorous about this ridiculous “controversy.” You loons talking about Obama “hiding something” when he’s already shown more than any other President EVER. HA! It’s ironic.
“PRODUCE THE DAMN DOCUMENT !!!” – Produce what document you friggin’ loon? The document is already online. That’s what you get when you ask for a BC. It looks like the one I got when I asked for my BC. That’s the point: THERE IS NOTHING ELSE YOU FOOL! That’s it! If that doesn’t make you happy then nothing will. You are so deluded that you are going to believe in your fantasies no matter how obvious it is that they are nonsense. What else could we possibly need to know besides what’s on the document online? It proves the President was born in the US. What else should we know? There is no other relevant information that would be on a BC. GET. A. GRIP. YOU. FRIGGIN. LOON.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Response To The Original Quote: “The difference is that Sarah Palin and the state of Alaska were having to deal with something that could not be easily handled as easily as producing something that would only cost $20-30. Obama is not defending himself against anything except the release of his birth certificate, not against baseless charges.”
Obama did response to this BS “controversy” by going farther than any Presidential candidate (or President) has ever gone before, he put the BC (that probably cost him $30 to have sent to him, just like you said) online for everyone in the world to see. Unfortunately crazy people like yourself are so committed to believing that President Obama isn’t an American because he has a Muslim sounding name and black skin that that irrefutable evidence isn’t enough for you. At this point, it ceases to be President Obama’s problem. It is now your problem. You are a sad crazy little man. Hopefully you grow up one day.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:40 pm
The Original: Ahhh a fresh voice of reason. If you believe he was born in Hawaii and we assume this is the case then then this opens the door to him lying about his father , his date of birth which seems less likely, mom not a question, or his legal name but that seems not worth the 2 million to hide. Maybe his dad and then the COLB he posted was a forgery. From what I have learned abou his mom this would not surpise me. All conjecture which as you point out can be easily resolved by opening up his records.It astounds me that his supporters cannot see that this is damaging his ability to lead and still deny this is important.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
“Obama did response to this BS “controversy” by going farther than any Presidential candidate (or President) has ever gone before, he put the BC (that probably cost him $30 to have sent to him, just like you said) online for everyone in the world to see.”
What he showed is not what settles the issue. The COLB is NOT his birth certificate. Since we know that he was adopted by Soetoro, we know this is not his birth certificate. Adoption would have revised his birth certificate. And you don’t unring the adoption bell.
The color of his skin is meaningless. If anything, the FACT that there are way too many people who voted for him simply because of the color of skin speaks more to racism than people who oppose him because of his policies.
It has to do with the FACT that he has been anything but transparent. He never released anything that normal Presidential candidates release like school records, health records, etc. There is a growing number of people who just do not trust Obama nor his administration. This shadow government in the form of his 30+ Czars is starting to scare a lot of people. I don’t blame them.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Marvin Marvin,
Hey dude … Obama blew it when he sanitized the serial number off the COLB and is blowing it more by not releasing the source document. It is kinda like giving your boss a diploma and later when he notices the serial number is blacked out he questions you and instead of having your school send him your transcripts ( source document to show the diploma is valid ) your hire teams of lawyers, sue him to deny access and keep on working demanding to be paid anyway. This is exactly what Obama is doing and he is NOT ABOVE THE LAW just as we are not. Total BS .
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
David – I am sitting here chuckling at you…I can’t really laugh because you obviously take yourself so seriously that it is painful to see…I really don’t know if you will be able to make it through the next 7 1/2 years…
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Pretty funny that the nirthers won’t accept the overwhelming evidence of Obama’s Hawaii birth, yet they jump all over this obvious forgery as the gospel truth. Pathetic losers.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
President Obama’s BC is online: http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/president-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/1120/
No President has ever made his BC public before. Obama does so in what can only be called the perfect example of transparency and the loons still want more. You can’t satisfy loons. They *want* to be crazy.
August 3rd, 2009 at 7:59 pm
TheOriginal – it settles the issue for all thinking adults. If you want to be a child throwing a tantrum because your candidate didn’t win the election, that’s your problem.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
The original:
Bingo. The adoption is part of the puzzle. Whatever it is he really wants to keep us in the dark about it… this coupled with his actions is getting people very nervous as the changes are radical and we do not know much about him other than what he has told us. The most radical and undocumented President in out entire history !! A true leader would recognize this and do everything in his power to reassure the public but he is doing just the opposite with his legal team blocking access and even threatening the attorney trying to get at the records . The fact that he is smart makes it worse because he MUST KNOW THIS IS MAKING PEOPLE MISTRUST HIM and so the cycle of mistrust is amplified.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
MARVIN : drink some more KOOL AID MAN … it is actualy OBAMA piss water and I do not have an appetite for it like you . If you can not tell me the name of the doctor who delivered him it is NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. So what was the Doctors name Marvin ? I am all ears.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:07 pm
David, you freaking lunatic. “This is making people mistrust him” only fools like yourself who were already deadset against him. No moderate thinking individual is being swayed by the likes of Orly Taitz. You guys are a bunch of loons. None of the adults take you seriously. When are you going to get that through your heads? What you perceive as reality has no relationship to the real world.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm
David, how cute. I think it’s quite humorous that someone who believes in an easily debunked ludicrous conspiracy theory accuses others of “drinking the kool aid.” It’s just adorable really!
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Where are you birthers getting this information about how much Obama has spent to stop the release of this stuff? Is it $100,000? $300,000? A million? Two million? Three million? I’ve heard all these figures, and have seen NO documentation? Who told you? Where did you get this? It’s part of the same set of “facts” that keeps getting repeated over and over again. I’m thinking its just more misinformation from you guys.
Listen, I thought (and still think) George W. Bush was about the worst president in my lifetime, but hey, I still recognized that he was the President. Never did I spew the kind of blind, raving hatred for him that I’m seeing for Obama on these blogs. It’s no wonder that your opponents see so many of you as racist nutcases. It’s really a pity that civil discourse is dead, as is reasoned debate and responsible journalism.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:12 pm
formerly DUNHAM
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Kenya was a British colony, the word “formerly” is not correct. The word that would be used is “née”
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Marvin:
I do not believe in a conspiracy theory. It is elementary my friend that one must first establish that a breech or crime occurred and only THEN ask yourself is it reasonable multiple persons knew about it. It is “conspiracy nuts” that jump to postulate a conspiracy to avoid or refute the argument. “There must have been a conspiracy for it to happen before you even know if anything happend”. Immature and irrational and not very smart. This is the Kool Aid I am talking about. Go drink some more.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
David, you do believe in a conspiracy theory (that President Obama & the State of Hawaii are lying about the fact that his official birth certificate is online even though this fact has been proven time and time again.)
You can pretend it’s something else if you want, but no. Look in the mirror. The crazy conspiracy theory believing idiot you see there, that’s you. You’ve gone down the rabbit hole buddy. I hope you can make it back out with some semblance of sanity (assuming you were sane before…)
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Oh, please…all these wingnuts playing the “Obama can end this by revealing the birth certificate!!”meme are so out to lunch.
Read my lips, wingnutters: Obama CANNOT reveal his “real birth certificate” because Hawaiian law expressedly FORBIDS public release of the “long form” certificate due to privacy and confidentiality laws. Not that it would matter, mind you, since you all would probably use some other excuse to declare it to be against your ideology anyway.
And besides…if his citizenship was good enough for being elected to the US Senate, then I’m guessing that it was good enough for him to be elected to the Presidency. If there was any questions, then why didn’t Hillary Clinton or John McCain raise them during the election?? They certainly raised every other racist issue under the sun.
You don’t like Obama’s policies??? Defeat him with a better candidate in 2012. All this nonsense is doing is making your side look like kooky-eyed cranks.
Anthony Kennerson
Lafayette, LA
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I suppose you believe 200,000 Germans came to see HIM in Berlin as opposed to him reading a speech from his teleprompter during intermission at a free rock concert. Most of them did not know who the hell the jerk was or speak English well enough to understand… and you thought there is the proof .. even in Germany they see he is the next great Ameican President!!! When I saw this I saw he was a fraud to the core. Das ist Richtig. You obviously sucked it up Aufwiedershen my friend. Obama is a total fraud believe what you want .. more Kool Aid for Marivn please.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Marvin, that is NOT Obama’s birth certificate. It is simply a “Certificate of Live Birth”. It shows he was born in Hawaii. That is all it shows. It does not cover his adoption.
Honestly, I don’t know how many different ways to say this . . . you cannot even get a passport with that kind of documentation.
We have never had a Presidential candidate who has written a book so much about his life that it causes questions. And we have never had a Presidential candidate who has not released school records, health records, etc. So, why is he not releasing records that all recent Presidential candidates have released? Recent like since mid-1900s.
And I am not throwing any kind of temper tantrum. I would like to know what he is hiding. He said he wanted a transparent administration. He has to this point been one of the least transparent Presidents ever. I think he should live up to his words. If you don’t, then that is your decision.
Like I said, I am fairly certain he was born in Hawaii. If there is something about his past that would invalidate him as President, don’t you think we should know? If he is invalid, then we are setting a horrible precedent. If not, then all is well.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:44 pm
David…don’t you think that the State of Hawaii would have investigated any attempt by Obama to falsify a birth certificate or COLB (whatever you want to call it)? I find your attempt to discredit the document found at Marvin Music’s link above on the basis of a redacted serial number to reek of desperation…a desperation that seems to be rampant among those who cannot accept the fact that the majority of Americans who voted in the last Presidential election actually voted for Barack Hussein Obama…either learn to live with it or let it consume your time and energy for no good purpose…i.e…get a life…
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
PS Marvin. This is a fact: when he was in Germany he wanted to visit the military but when he was told he could but he had to leave his camera crew outside and so there would be no photo op … he blew them off. TOTAL FRAUD and Phoney. So you see there are very good reasons to not trust. Now he will not release any documents .. Transparency ???? Another lie..
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
OK, so in reference to the original thread of this, the Kenyan doc.
http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg
Looks like that was a fake from an Australian birth cert photochopped. The original was from more than 2 years ago, or archive.org is in on the conspiracy. It’s the internet, you can gin up nearly limitless truthy looking documents, what the president should do is let anyone who wants one go to the Sec of State office in Hawaii and get a copy. At least the economy of Hawaii would be stimulated with all the people flying over to get their very own copy of an Obama birth certificate. Wouldn’t change the minds of folks that don’t want to believe, his info was hacked in at (insert random date here).
I suppose there will be some other document that “proves” he’s a foreigner. That’s the problem, when you believe something regardless of logic and available facts, you want it to be true, so anything that makes your wish look more likely, you throw caution to the wind grab hold, hence Las Vegas and the Lottery, not to bash Vegas, I lived there for 10 years.
My mom always said, “wish in one hand, crap in the other, see which one gets fullest the fastest.” Crass but true.
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
TheOriginal, see previous post. It is in fact the EXACT information you need to get a passport.
Jeez, if the conspiracy is that he just photochopped a doc into existence, then it could be done by a 10 year old, see kenyan doc. Why not at least suppose a rogue agency broke into the records room in Hawaii and inserted the record. Come on, you have to try a little bit harder, this isn’t even good enough for a Saturday afternoon B movie.
It was MI6 in the summer of 1987 when they saw an opportunity to put a mole in the white house. Margaret Thatcher thought it would give them the opportunity to take back the colony from those damn rebels.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
“Obama CANNOT reveal his “real birth certificate” because Hawaiian law expressedly FORBIDS public release of the “long form” certificate due to privacy and confidentiality laws.”
Oh, my. You cannot possibly believe that Obama himself cannot release his own birth certificate, can you?
What that statement means is that the state cannot publicly release any birth certificates. No state can do that. In fact, they can’t even release the birth certificate to anyone other than the person who relates to the birth certificate or his or her family.
Sorry, Riley, but I know what it takes to get a passport. I have my own passport. I know what it took for my nephew to get his passport in 1999. It takes a birth certificate, not a COLB. A COLB is not a birth certificate.
Have you ever seen a real birth certificate?
Look, I think Obama was probably born in Hawaii. Fine. Don’t care. I just would like to know what he is hiding. You don’t hide things if there isn’t something that you want to keep hidden.
Well, it was fun “talking” with you people. Have fun! Believe what you want. What you and I think isn’t going to make one bit of difference.
Good evening.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
This important basic fact needs to be repeated because it’s really the stem of this whole BS Birther fantasy:
The “Certificate of Live Birth” is the “Birth Certificate.” It’s just a different name for the same thing. Many states send them out with the that title. Saying it’s “not a birth certificate” simply because it has a different name on it is taking semantics to a ridiculous level. By that insane logic nobody in Hawaii has a birth certificate.
So again, there is no other form. That’s it. When you ask the state of Hawaii for your birth certificate, that’s what they send you. That’s it. The state of Hawaii has confirmed this. There is no controversy to anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together. This BC has his birth date, his birth place, and the names of his parents on it. That’s all the info we could possibly need.
You can see President Obama’s birth certificate online: http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/president-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/1120/
That’s it. That’s the real deal. It looks very similar to the one I received from another state. Likewise the one I have doesn’t say “birth certificate” on it. It says “certification of live birth.” And yes, it was all I needed to get a passport.
Again, one more time: There is nothing else to release. It’s already there. That’s what makes the birthers so incredibly crazy. They are asking for something that is already online and has been confirmed as the President’s birth certificate by the state he was born in.
Anyone who is still questioning this at this point is a lunatic.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I need to say this one more time because I see “TheOriginal” has repeated the lies about Obama not having released his real birth certificate multiple times and that he’s even made the stupid claim that you can’t get a passport with a “certification of live birth.” I GOT A PASSPORT WITH A DOCUMENT THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE ONE OBAMA PUT ONLINE. THATS IT. THATS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE. FOR FUCK’S SAKE YOU FUCKING LUNATIC.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Are other birth certificates in Kenya at that time written in English ?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Ok, since no one has yet mentioned one of the more obvious things here, it clearly falls to me to step up and do the job.
Several people have said they believe Obama was born in Hawaii but is ineligible to be president since his father was from Kenya and not a US citizen.
Well, rejoice, friends! The good news is that it doesn’t matter where Obama’s dad was born! Heck, it doesn’t matter what either parent’s citizenship was! His mom could be (shudder) French, and he’d still be eligible if he was born in Hawaii!
“But how?” I hear you cry. “Pray illuminate us, oh wise-one.”
I shall. I shall illuminate you with the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. In section one it says:
Ta-da! Anyone born in the US is a citizen, period. This is also where we get “anchor babies” from. It’s also settled case law in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, where the Supreme Court upheld the 14th Amendment.
It also means, and I know most of you will breathe a sigh of relief at this news, that Chester A Arthur was, in fact, a natural born citizen and eligible to be President despite the fact that his father was Irish! Phew!
For these and more points lovingly tearing apart your stupid Birther arguments, please refer to my blog article on this at: http://wilybadger.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/conspiracy-theories-and-you-barack-obama-aint-no-citizen/
Enjoy!
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
lucslawyer. My point is simple. A $10 long form would stop this speculation regarding his birth. So why not ? Again you are the one postulating a “conspiracy theory” to avoid the reality that Obama must produce his documents to put this to rest. Step one: release the documents Step two: they are examined by court appointed forensics to be certain all is in order. If there are no problem; if they are not then and ONLY THEN do you ask if more people were involved to establish a conspiracy to include Hawaii officials. Step three: the Supreme Court needs to define once and for all what is the meaning of a Natural born Citizen and did this mean Both parents US citizens and born in the US. Logical straight forward and will put and end to this one way or the other. This is not going away until he does this not matter what the MSM says. People are getting pissed he will not release his documents. If all is OK and you trust Obama what are you afraid of and what harm could be done ?
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I want to know what level of information or documentation will prove to people that he’s born in the US.
Bare with me, assume its you, you’ve provided all the documentation to many different government agencies and news folk, who’ve said “Yup, Riley, you’re a US Born Citizen”. Someone then comes up and says, prove your a US Citizen. You say, “hey, there’s my birth certificate”
Guy says, “nope, its not a long form birth certificate”
Your response, “well I went down to the courthouse and that’s what they gave me”.
Guy, “Can’t be, says Certification of Live Birth, not Birth Certificate”
You say, “Well, all of them in our state say that.”
Response, “Nope”
Well what do you do? Say buddy, lets go down there and get one together? You could, I guess, but if it’s 20k people, who won’t believe the other 19,999, then do you take all of them? You can’t post it on the interwebs, as anything can be faked online, that’s why you gave it to the news guys.
That’s the problem, I don’t know what else he can provide. Hawaii has a single birth certificate and its called a “Certification of Live Birth” other states say “Certificate of Live Birth”, others still say “Birth Certificate”. The title actually doesn’t matter, the US State Department accepts them all, as long as they have specific information on it and its stamped and signed by the state rep. There is no such thing as a Long Form. Some folks have the form that the Dr signed at the hospital, where a copy was usually submitted to the county health department. But Hawaii and most other states migrated their records to an online store, and some, Hawaii included, doesn’t keep a scanned copy. Probably because they never thought that people would need it, also it’s more expensive to keep the image, and the image is more difficult to search and index.
So my question remains, what level of documentation will anyone of you that don’t believe he’s a citizen, will it take for you too believe it? I’m serious, I want to know.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Marvin; If you cannot tell me the doctors name it is NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. So Obama has not released it. If you cannot understand that you are in trouble my friend. Bye
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Anyone who believes this a real birth certificate is motivated by bigotry or politics alone. Obama’s wife had zero reason to fly to Kenya to give birth (what? they had better hospitals there?) And she had no reason to lie about his birth in the US because he was already a US citizen by virtue of the fact that his mother was already a US citizen. Unless she was thinking about her son becoming the first Black president, and this is a tad bit unlikely, she wouldn’t have cared. So why would she put out such lies in the Hawaii newspapers just days after the birth?
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
The truth is out there….
Obama is an outer space alien! Really!
Even Lou Dobbs said he was an illegal alien.
I want proof that he’s from Earth!
We all know that he was sent here to start the invasion so the outer space aliens could take all the Earth jobs!
Earth for Earthers!
August 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Neither my Ohio birth certificate, my wife’s California, son’s Tennessee, and daughter’s Nevada birth certificate have a Dr’s name. We have our kids hospital documents that do, but that’s not a certified birth certificate. We had to get certified birth certificates to take them to Canada, and that’s what we got.
I don’t understand this belief that a birth certificate needs to have a Dr’s name, it doesn’t.
You can read the Wikipedia article on Birth Certificates. Notice that it talks about states discarding “Long Form” birth certificates do to cost constraints of maintaining them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate
Since birth certificates are defined by the CDC you can read the standard form document revised in 2003. Also note that the standard form is called a “Certificate of Live Birth” not a “Birth Certificate”.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf
There is also no place for a Dr’s name, and in fact, you couldn’t because of HIPAA privacy laws.
So all the caterwauling about this being fake because of this or that is just justification, it’s not reason. It’s not reasonable, it’s illogical, and with a tiny amount of effort anyone can inform themselves enough to at least make an informed argument.
I’m just tired of explaining things to people, come on, please use your brain, or at least leverage mine if your not going to use yours. Read something that’s not from the echo chamber, right or left. If your going to oppose Obama, pick an actual issue with weight, that matters.
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 pm
David…you really want me to believe that the $10 long form would satisfy you and the rest of your ilk? I have absolutely no doubt that you people would raise some other “discrepancy” in a lame attempt to keep the sore festering…besides…you did not answer my original question so I will rephrase it…Do you believe the State of Hawaii would allow Barack Obama to present a falsified birth certificate (or COLB) in order to run for President?…straight up…yes or no….
August 4th, 2009 at 12:27 am
It still amazes me that there are so many who just refuse to see the truth. The Hawaiian birth certificate HAS been produced and verified–that’s all there is to see. It’s legal, official, and verified. You “demand” to see more. By what right can you demand this, when all reputable authorities have authenticated Obama’s U.S. birth? You’ve seen all you have a right to see. If there was really anything there, don’t you think the opposition (first Hillary Clinton, later the Republican party) would have jumped on it long ago? No, only the nutcases (I can’t call them anything else) on the web and the right wing media are still grasping at straws. Just amazing! And getting to be near dangerous, with the level of vitriol here. And it’s clear that the only reason you’re still pursuing this is your intense hatred for the man. Sorry kids, the case is closed–nothing more here!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:42 am
I know the Obama thing is really important, but I’ve got another one I feel is equally important–I don’t believe the earth is round. I don’t care if scientists say it is–none of that convinces me. Who are they?–they have no legitimacy to me. They’re all in this grand conspiracy together–even since Gallileo way back in the day. After all, my common sense and observations tell me the earth is flat. When I look down the road in any direction for as far as I can see, it looks pretty flat to me–not at all “round.” When I fly in a plane, I have the same perception. Those supposed “photos” from space that show a round orb–those were manufactured and DOCTORED. FORGERIES!! That’s not enough proof for me. I KNOW they’re hiding something!!!! What are those elitist “scientists” really hiding? I demand to know! Birthers, who’s with me on this?!
August 4th, 2009 at 12:48 am
David, Riley debunked your stupid “doesn’t have a dr’s name on it so it’s not a birth certificate” nonsense and to add to that point: If Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate, then how did he get a passport? Obviously having a doctor’s name is not an essential part to a birth certificate. I find it hard to understand why you would even think that would be the case? It’s clear you are just grasping at straws – trying to come up with any sort of argument even though it’s obvious as day that the President was born in Hawaii and that the birth certificate he posted online is 100% legitimate.
August 4th, 2009 at 12:51 am
There is no “$10 longform.” That whole “long form” thing is complete bullshit that the birthers pulled out of their asses. They’ve been repeating it so logn that people actually think it means something. When you get a birth certficate mailed to you (I did this about 6 months ago) you don’t get an option for “short form” or “long form” you just get whatever they send you. That’s what you get in Hawaii. THAT’S IT. There’s nothing else. It’s important to keep reminding the birthers of this point. There’s nothing else to show. Obama has already done what they’re asking him to do. That’s what makes it so fucking crazy.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:08 am
A confidential informant has told me that Orly Taitz is a Soviet sleeper agent.
I confirmed this with my friend Mikhail Sergeyevich (name redacted) who explained to me that Orly’s task was to make Americans laugh so hard that they would be open to a suprise nuclear strike.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:21 am
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August 4th, 2009 at 2:36 am
Oh God, saw the MSNBC interview. That was a train wreck of epic proportions. If I saw that and I believed this stuff, I think I’d say, well, I can’t let anyone know that Oily Taint is on MY side. What was that other thing we were talking about? Hey, its the Goodrich blimp ….Bueller….Bueller….Land Shark….
August 4th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Remember when if any Dem would question Bush’s judgment on the wars the Republicans would cry “unpatriotic!”?
Well once again the GOP shows their giant hypocrisies & lies.
The right wingers claim they’re protecting the Constitution, where the f*ck were they for the last 8 fricking years as their party tore it to shreds?
I hope they start charging these people with something or give them their day in court or do something to make it super clear that he’s a real citizen or else the right-wing will keep on making shit up & a certain percentage of people, I figure at least 20%, will believe it!
August 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am
>”You cannot get a passport with a COLB. ”
Actually, that’s about all the State Department will accept. The ‘long form’, which is what the hospital filled out and submitted isn’t accepted. I know, I just renewed my passport 2 years ago and ran into this exact problem.
OBama has been vetted by the FBI and the NSA and the Secret Service, even before he ran for President, (Top Secret clearance for his Senate committees.)
And there is absolutely nothing anyone can produce that would satisfy crazy people.
August 4th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
[...] to rally behind, is to confront her on the substance. The Kenyan “certificate” is a fake. The proof of Obama’s Hawaiian birth is irrefutable. And no lawyer worth a dime buys into her [...]
August 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Kinda like the spouse who thinks their partner has been cheating on them and wants to know but not really because the thought of divorce is too painful; America wants to know if Obama has been cheating on them but some like his supporters really don’t. On the other hand, to delay or hide just makes things worse. At some point the pressure builds and builds and the spouse has to know. The answer is simple; Obama opens up his documents and we learn what it is he is hiding and then we get a divorce or we learn it is not as bad as we fear and move on. Obama knows all the answers but he is still hiding like a cheating spouse hides. Time to come clean.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Kinda like a guy who sees a crop circle and believes that the aliens visited. Regardless of how many times he’s shown the video of the local teenagers doing it.
Your “belief” that he’s hiding something is what your taking on faith, you believe it, so there’s no explaining why your belief is misplaced. No amount of evidence will convince you, no logic will dispel this belief, so there really is no reason to try anymore.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Riddle me this:
If this “long-form birth certificate” does somehow see the light of day, how do we know the birthers won’t immediately respond “FAKE!! FAKE!! SHOW US SOMETHING ELSE!!”…?
Personally, I think the chances are 100% that that’s how they WOULD respond.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
The Sailor speaks the truth. When I got my passport (1998), I brought my original hospital birth certificate from home and they WOULD NOT accept it. I had to order one from the state. That is ALL they would accept. The original hospital form is nice, but not considered a true legal document for this kind of stuff. What you get from your state IS the legally-binding proof, and what gets you a passport or a presidential eligibility. And by the way, there is no difference between “Certificate (or Certification) of Live Birth” and a “Birth Certificate.” It’s the same thing, legally, and to anyone with half a brain.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I am amazed at how brainless the birthers are. On a second thought, the brain-dead birthers are my best comedians. Birther David, now that your cheap & Fake Kenyan birth certificate has been exposed, what are you brain-deads going to latch on next?
May be you want to proof that Obama is really from another planet? Who else would have known almost 50 years in advance that a Kenyan born- black boy would one day be the 44th President of the most powerful nation in the world; and prepared (50 years in advance) to hide his identity?
If I am given a choice between hallucinating/paranoid birthers & a single guy who can see almost 50 years into the future; there’s no contest for any sane person will go with the later!
August 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Riley Nice try. We are not talking about aliens and crop circles or earth people or Pagans at Stonehenge. Just releasing some documents which he can easily do. I am truly sorry that you are living in fear of what you may learn if he does open them.
So Ok.. here then is the million dollar attorney question : tell me why he has sealed the documnets if there is nothing to hide.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Thlayli
I have to agree with you there will be some that will NEVER be satisfied. This however is not a good reason for Obama to not practice the transparency he promised. For Gibbs to say “what is the point” in itself is dissmissive and insulting. I do not know what it is OBAMA is so afraid of or ashamed of that he will not release his long form and there is a long form if he was born in Hospital as he claims. The American people trusted him and put him in office, he needs to now trust us to decide if what he has hidden is all that bad.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Riz;
Unless you are a child you know that calling names and such is childish. If it makes you feel better and you have no control over it I understand and forgive you.
August 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
To all,
In retrospect, I realize that I have fallen prey to childish behavior too. So I am sorry. Until the name calling stops we do not have chance of an honest and intellectual approach to the question. This is really my concern as the issue has divided many Americans and this is just the opposite of what Obama said he wanted. This is part of the reason I do not understand how he could let this happen to us when it is within his power to fix it. So until we can respectfully share ideas I have more important things to do …like take my labrador for walk. His name is Gus and he is a very cool dog. A rescue at that.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Add in one more mistake on the document: the fee at the top (7s 6d) must be wrong. The currency in Kenya at the time was the East African Shilling – which was divisible into cents (designated “c”), not pence (“d”). This was the case from 1921 to 1969.
August 5th, 2009 at 5:03 am
Andrew
Interesting observation. The more we scrutinize this document the more questions arise. There is a comparison out there with an Austrailan document which adds additional uncertainty. It would seem that obviously one or the other is likely a forgery ( maybe both ) and if your observations are correct the Kenyan document would be most suspect. We will have to wait for professional independent analysis as Taitz has requested. She is convinced he was born in Kenya but that is premature.
Others have looked at the Obama COLB and have similar questions about that document as well. Like the “race” of Obama Sr. being listed as a Continent “African” verses “Negro” as would be the standard in divisions of vital statistics at the time as well as on the original he released having the serial number sanitized for no obvious reason.
Adding to the confusion Obamas grandmother is on record as well as the Kenyan Ambassador stating he was born in Kenya and the Hawaii official states he was born in Hawaii. None of the individuals have given me reason to doubt them but someone has their story wrong.
Something is wrong we just do not know what but politics aside Obama is so important in his position that we can not afford as a country to have trust issues with this. It is dividing people and if all is in order Obama has the power to stop it but he is still refusng to release his documents. There will always be “nuts” that will never be satisfied but this at least would a step in the right direction.
My suspicion is that both the Kenyan document and the Obama Hawaii document are forgeries or at a minimum Obama document is altered. If we accept the Hawaii officials statement that he was born in Hawaii this just leaves us to more speculation of what Obama thinks is so bad on the long form he has the record sealed. Who knows but his attorneys are threatening anyone who seriously goes after any of his documents. Maybe he lied about who his father is or it is related to the adoption and he never properly changed his name back who knows. I hope the courts start getting involved so we can get this mess straighened out and stop the speculation. While I think this is the best “mystery ” story in years it is divisive for our country so Obama should release his documents and put an end to this.
I appreciate your civil approach!
August 5th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I had to get a copy of my BC from Indiana a few months ago. Guess what? “Short form” certificate of live birth, pointing to a records book–exactly as what Hawaii did in President Obama’s case. I guess my parents were actually in Canadian waters on Lake Michigan when I was born, so I can’t claim the citizenship I’ve enjoyed all these years. And since I’m now officially an illegal, I suppose the Birthers want to deport me now. (wow–canadian health coverage, here I come!) BTW–I thought Orly was a dentist and not a lawyer. If Obama’s BC were a fake, don’t you think there’s be ONE Hawaiian official who’d step forward and say this? Not a single one has–shouls show this is real, he’s elig. to be President. Get over it. Your guy lost–move on and show YOU’RE a good citizen by supporting the US Gov’t and it’s current leaders.
August 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Steven,
I appreciate your civil approach but there is an assumption you have made that is incorrect. McCain was NOT my guy and by strict definition he had a problem as well which Congress in a joint resolution inappropriately tried to address. Damn Rep and Dems!! If Mc Cain had WON WE would be screaming about this and WE would have just cause in doing so !!! The constitution can not be changed by a Congressional resolution but only ratification which requires 2/3 of the States to agree to. What they hell were they thinking? Are you aware, right now, there are over 30 States drafting 10th Ammendment legislation that could tear our Union apart ? Where is our media ???
This is about the Consitution and we are a Constitutional Republic so in addition to “winning an election” the winner must meet the qualifications of the Constitution. It is the Supreme law of the land and no one even a President is above it. If a President thinks he is above the law ( like Bush
!! ) we do not have a President but something else. Trust me I am just as peeved at what Bush did as what I see now.
Those who ask why we did we not scream then are absolutley justified in your critism and I am absolutely guilty!!! For some I am certatin it is about race but for me it was out of ignorance and apathy. I felt this this year was so important to our country with al the challenges that I began educating myself about our heritage and then I saw the problem and had my OMG moment. Reb and Dems alike are all guilty and have done much harm to us as Americans and our Nation.
In addition, in contast to your statement of being born while on a lake, Obama stated he was born in a Hospital. If this is true there is a Birth Certificate with a Physicians signature , Hospital etc. Obama has spent a small fortune keeping this sealed which only makes it worse not better, and this is dividing us. He can solve this particular issue simply by releasing documents but refuses.
We need transparency on the entire issue and likely a Supreme Court determination of the Natural Born Citizen clause as many legal scholars contend requires BOTH parents US Citizens ( read the Mc Cain resolution ) and born in the US ( not Panama ). Obama Sr. was never a US citizen and Obama refuses to release the documents that would easily put the US birth issue to rest unless there is a problem.
Either our Constitution matters or it does not…. if it does we are in the Middle of a Constitutional crisis like it or not and it would be no different if McCain had won. Damn greedy politicians to put us in this position !!! Especially now.
August 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
David…so your “suspicion” is that both the Kenyan and Hawaiian documents are forgeries or that “at a minimum [the] Obama document is altered (I am assuming you are referring to the Hawaiian COLB)……I repeat my question…Do you believe the State of Hawaii would allow Barack Obama to present a falsified birth certificate (or COLB) in an attempt to run for President of the United States? ….straight up…yes or no…
August 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Oh, another thing David…your attempt to use John McCain as a justification (or should I say cover) for your claims concerning Obama is pitiful …Leading Democrats were quick to rally to McCain’s support in answering any questions about his citizenship…quite a contrast to the lame republican response to this manufactured “controversy”…and “if McCain had WON WE (sic) would be screaming about this”…just who are you trying to kid?
August 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
lucslawyer:
I think you are confused a little as we are not in a Court room and I am not under your “cross examination”. So you can repeat your question in a demanding prose all you want and it is up to me to decide if I wish to answer it or not. Until you can overcome your partisan attitude and blame game, as I do not see this as a partisan issue other than to freely admit my own failings, (for which then I must again suffer an insult from you )I have better things to do. If on the other hand you can rise above it I will reconsider.
August 5th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Oh God, David…I insulted you by asking a direct question? And as for not being in a courtroom…you are presenting a case, making a claim…that case is being discussed…I ask you a question concerning what I believe to be a weakness in the case you make and you refuse to answer…my “partisanship” does not relieve you of your responsibility to answer my question IF you want me to believe that you are correct in the assertions you make in stating your case…the “rising above this” attitude you are displaying does nothing but reaffirm MY belief that you are afraid that answering the question would expose your case to further questioning on my part which you do not wish to accept…
August 5th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Since you feel I have already insulted you, I will just lay it all out…any attempt to claim that Barack Obama is not a citizen of the United States must necessarily rest on the FACT of his birth certificate (or any proof of birth issued by the State of Hawaii) being a forgery or somehow altered in an attempt to fulfill the requirements of the Constitution…the proper authorities of the State of Hawaii have had plenty of time and opportunity to examine the document presented by President Obama as proof of his fulfilling those requirements…now, to believe that document is forged or in some way altered is to in effect accuse those officials of fraud against the American people in that they were complicit with President Obama by acknowledging that document as official and correct…I have yet to hear of ANY accusations of that nature against such officials…so, if you cannot present proof of such activities by those officials I would suggest you drop this case and move on…
August 6th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Ok, let me pose this part again. I find it interesting that if
this is a fake, there’s not ONE official in the entire state of
Hawaii who’s willing to come forward and prove your case. Every
one of the officials who have access to the birth records all
have verified the President’s birth in that State. Are you then
going to take the entire State to court for perjury? The odds of
having at least one person in Hawaiian Gov’t who doesn’t like
the President seems good–if it were a fake, they’d come foreard.
No one has. Sorry, but I don’t chase shadows. You shouldn’t
either. That or sue the entire state of Hawaii.
August 7th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
The number of the book is identical on both documents: Book 44B, Page 5733.
The probability of this happening is close to 0.
August 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Speaking of the document number, we know that the 44B is Barack, the 44th President. Someone offered to tell us what the 5733 decoded as–I have to admit it doesn’t mean much to me. Care to fill the rest of us in?
(I’m still waiting for those hoardes of Hawaiian officials to come forward and tell us that the BC is a fake–all I’ve noticed so far is the thundering silence on that score.)
August 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Do you want to impress your right-wing friends and have the fun of having them denounce you as a foreign-born impostor? Want to claim dual-citizenship from a now-popular African country? Do you yearn to confound the officials of your birth state to produce legitimate records for you?
Well NOW YOU CAN!
http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/
August 12th, 2009 at 1:34 am
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September 8th, 2009 at 3:19 am
The timing of Obama’s latest school children indoctrination speech is no coincidence. September 8, 2009 is meaningful to Obama for an entirely different reason. (See below.)
Something of Interest, posted elsewhere on the Net:
“Discovery hearing” re: Obama’s Kenyan BC, request for depositions of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates scheduled for September 8th, 8am.
08/21/2009 44 MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: ORDER SETTING SEPTEMBER 8, 2009 HEARING ON MOTIONS: (See document for details.) In summary, the Court sets for hearing at 8:00 a.m. on September 8, 2009, (1) the Discovery Motion, (2) the Service Notice, and (3) the Ex Parte Application. All parties are ordered to be present.
The Clerk shall serve this minute order on all parties to the action. (rla) (Entered: 08/21/2009)
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September 14th, 2009 at 10:22 am
This is all well and good but there’s still one salient point that everyone seems to be missing. It’s one of those logical, legitimate questions that hasn’t been answered? If Obama was born in Hawaii, why has he not signed a release form allowing us to see his actual birth certificate, not the phony, computer-generated “certification of live birth”. And, while we’re at it, why hasn’t he released all of his college records, like every other president? Would it reveal who actually paid for his education? Would it reveal the curriculum of a radical Marxist, something that would have made a difference to the voters? Seems like we are seeing some “buyers’ remorse” these days. People voted for a cypher, not knowing enough about this rookie, thanks to the willful malpractice of the media,
September 30th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Jarhead68:
It’s as if you arrived off the turnip truck this morning. Have you not bothered to read the above comments? I am not going to waste my time giving you the facts. THe facts just confuse you.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:27 pm
The people arguing over the title of the document should probably have a look at this example of a “long form” birth certicate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Weird.gif
Now notice what it says on top: “Certificate of Live Birth”. So even the holy long form you idiots are asking for has the title which you claim is not that of a real birth certificate. Epic FAIL.
December 13th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
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January 29th, 2010 at 4:01 am
I’ve been looking for this precise information on this topic for a long time.
January 31st, 2010 at 11:02 am
Orly Taitz is not the issue. Racism is not the issue. The U.S. Constitution is the issue. The first paragraph of the United States Supreme Court’s website makes the following promise to the American People – “As the final arbiter of the law, the Court is charged with ensuring the American people the promise of equal justice under law and, thereby, also functions as guardian and interpreter of the Constitution.” To date, the United States Supreme Court has failed to do anything in furtherance of the search for the truth about Obama’s natural born citizen status. Furthermore, not one single solitary person or agency in the Executive, Legislative, or the rest of the Judicial branch of government has done anything other than accept Obama’s posted Certification of Live Birth as conclusive evidence of his alleged birthplace.
Mr. Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. As his only evidence that he meets the Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that a President be a natural born citizen, he produced a document called a “Certification of Live Birth,” which he posted on his website under the title: “Barack Obama’s Official Birth Certificate.”
At first blush, it is case closed. A closer examination of the facts, however, reveals that Mr. Obama failed to point out on his website that his posted “Official Birth Certificate,” as he called it, is actually a 2007 computer-generated, laser-printed summary document of his 1961 vital record(s) on file with the Hawaii State Department of Health. What we do not know, however, is what 1961 vital record the Certification of Live Birth is summarizing.
In 1961 there were at least six different procedures available to obtain a vital record (birth certificate) that the Certification of Live Birth could be summarizing. Five of the six procedures lacked an adequate indicia of reliability and trustworthiness because they were fraught with the potential for fraud. That said, an “official” state-issued document that summarizes a document that lacks an adequate indicia of reliability and trustworthiness is not worth the paper it is printed on. Scans of the original Hawaii Revised Laws from that era can be found at http://birther.com .
Why does all of this matter? This nation can not risk having a President who may harbor divided loyalties because the President of the United States is one of the three branches of government. He is the Executive branch. The nation speaks to all people through one voice, the President’s. The President can make treaties, grant pardons, sign and veto legislation, appoint a Cabinet, as well as Supreme Court Justices. In addition to these duties, the President knows the nation’s most important and secure secrets, and as the Commander in Chief of the military, has the military’s nuclear launch codes at the ready, and who can arguably, either take steps to weaken the nation, or even destroy it. In the words of Vice President Dick Cheney, “The president of the United States now for 50 years is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a football that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch the kind of devastating attack the world has never seen. He doesn’t have to check with anybody. He doesn’t have to call the Congress. He doesn’t have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in.”
I’ll close this post with a quote: “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”