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		<title>By: BenDoubleCrossed</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenDoubleCrossed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was young, America was the richest nation on the face of the planet. In my lifetime, bad choices by our leaders have left America the world’s biggest debtor nation.  Would you hire someone with that resume to fix the healthcare problem? 

Providing universal health care is not one of the enumerated powers of the Federal Government. So, why isn’t Obama following the constitutionally proscribed amendment process? 

If Bill and Hillary had initiated their bid for universal care as an amendment to the constitution, the debate might be coming to a close now.  And if enormous, costly, new responsibilities are to be given the federal government, shouldn’t the debate be long, deliberate and involve the States and the people?

If government requires all Americans to buy health care, doesn’t it have to be accomplished via a huge new tax?  Can we the people permit government to tell us how to spend after tax dollars? What would define disposable income?

Obama uses the analogy of if you want to drive you must buy auto insurance.  However, driving is a privilege and a choice, while individual existence was a choice made by our parents and suicide is a sin and a crime.

I wish all Americans life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness within the constraints of our Republic’s constitution.

Bring John Shadegg&#039;s &#039;Enumerated Powers Act&#039; to a Vote
It&#039;s time for Congress to, &quot;Cite it, chapter and verse.&quot; Where do they derive their authority? When they pass new laws or spend taxpayer money, they should be required to point to specific language in the Constitution. The Enumerated Powers Act would require them to do precisely that. Help us bring this bill to a vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was young, America was the richest nation on the face of the planet. In my lifetime, bad choices by our leaders have left America the world’s biggest debtor nation.  Would you hire someone with that resume to fix the healthcare problem? </p>
<p>Providing universal health care is not one of the enumerated powers of the Federal Government. So, why isn’t Obama following the constitutionally proscribed amendment process? </p>
<p>If Bill and Hillary had initiated their bid for universal care as an amendment to the constitution, the debate might be coming to a close now.  And if enormous, costly, new responsibilities are to be given the federal government, shouldn’t the debate be long, deliberate and involve the States and the people?</p>
<p>If government requires all Americans to buy health care, doesn’t it have to be accomplished via a huge new tax?  Can we the people permit government to tell us how to spend after tax dollars? What would define disposable income?</p>
<p>Obama uses the analogy of if you want to drive you must buy auto insurance.  However, driving is a privilege and a choice, while individual existence was a choice made by our parents and suicide is a sin and a crime.</p>
<p>I wish all Americans life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness within the constraints of our Republic’s constitution.</p>
<p>Bring John Shadegg&#8217;s &#8216;Enumerated Powers Act&#8217; to a Vote<br />
It&#8217;s time for Congress to, &#8220;Cite it, chapter and verse.&#8221; Where do they derive their authority? When they pass new laws or spend taxpayer money, they should be required to point to specific language in the Constitution. The Enumerated Powers Act would require them to do precisely that. Help us bring this bill to a vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Obama tries to reform the medical welfare system people protest because they don’t want to help others then them selves!!, let me elaborate… In a debate yesterday in Wheeling, West Virginia. A woman carefully asked if they please could hurry up with the reform so that her daughter could be helped with her rheumatism since at the moment there was no way of paying for it. The response came quick… A man in a shirt stood up and said loud and clear: why should I pay for your daughter? Well there you have it people, the actual American reason for protesting against the reform… The product of a Supercapitalistic society. As soon as ones tax money helps other people people shout out Communism and Socialism as if they knew the meaning of these words!… is equality for all wrong? I call it Welfare. In Sweden we have a higher tax which everyone is willing to pay because we care for the less fortunate in our nation… as a matter of fact we have the best welfare in the world because of this… are we Communists now suddenly.. No definitely not! Maybee Obama sees the countries with the best welfare in the world and believes America has something to learn… who knows!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Obama tries to reform the medical welfare system people protest because they don’t want to help others then them selves!!, let me elaborate… In a debate yesterday in Wheeling, West Virginia. A woman carefully asked if they please could hurry up with the reform so that her daughter could be helped with her rheumatism since at the moment there was no way of paying for it. The response came quick… A man in a shirt stood up and said loud and clear: why should I pay for your daughter? Well there you have it people, the actual American reason for protesting against the reform… The product of a Supercapitalistic society. As soon as ones tax money helps other people people shout out Communism and Socialism as if they knew the meaning of these words!… is equality for all wrong? I call it Welfare. In Sweden we have a higher tax which everyone is willing to pay because we care for the less fortunate in our nation… as a matter of fact we have the best welfare in the world because of this… are we Communists now suddenly.. No definitely not! Maybee Obama sees the countries with the best welfare in the world and believes America has something to learn… who knows!</p>
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		<title>By: Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement - Page 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Disses Post Office,Destroys His Own Arguement - Page 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathan from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why are the japanese living almost 2 years longer than you guys? does your healthcare suck, or would you like to look closer at the numbers?&quot;

Canadians do not have the sense of superiority that Americans have. I don&#039;t believe Canada has the &quot;best&quot; health care system in the world.  I think France has a better system than Canada, for example.  

But here is what I *DO* know... everyone in Canada is covered by a Medicare plan, from birth to death even though Canadians pay far less per capita (including taxes) for health care than Americans. There are no &quot;deductibles.&quot; Although I am 56 years old, I have NEVER waited in line for medical care. Never. If I need certain types of surgery, it&#039;s true that I may need to wait.  That&#039;s because everyone is covered.  (HINT: a quadruple by-pass is more important than a mole removal, even though the person with the mole has money, and the heart patient does not.)

America prioritizes the health of it&#039;s citizens according to wealth. Almost 50 million people are not covered by health care.  So if you have enough money, you can skip to the front of the line, the &quot;good old&quot; American way.  If you don&#039;t have money... too bad for you!

I have listened to (and talked to) Americans who lived for long periods of time in Canada and were covered by Canadian health care while they were here.  It&#039;s amazing that almost all of these Americans think the Canadian health care system is great.

The only people who don&#039;t appreciate it are the ones who know nothing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why are the japanese living almost 2 years longer than you guys? does your healthcare suck, or would you like to look closer at the numbers?&#8221;</p>
<p>Canadians do not have the sense of superiority that Americans have. I don&#8217;t believe Canada has the &#8220;best&#8221; health care system in the world.  I think France has a better system than Canada, for example.  </p>
<p>But here is what I *DO* know&#8230; everyone in Canada is covered by a Medicare plan, from birth to death even though Canadians pay far less per capita (including taxes) for health care than Americans. There are no &#8220;deductibles.&#8221; Although I am 56 years old, I have NEVER waited in line for medical care. Never. If I need certain types of surgery, it&#8217;s true that I may need to wait.  That&#8217;s because everyone is covered.  (HINT: a quadruple by-pass is more important than a mole removal, even though the person with the mole has money, and the heart patient does not.)</p>
<p>America prioritizes the health of it&#8217;s citizens according to wealth. Almost 50 million people are not covered by health care.  So if you have enough money, you can skip to the front of the line, the &#8220;good old&#8221; American way.  If you don&#8217;t have money&#8230; too bad for you!</p>
<p>I have listened to (and talked to) Americans who lived for long periods of time in Canada and were covered by Canadian health care while they were here.  It&#8217;s amazing that almost all of these Americans think the Canadian health care system is great.</p>
<p>The only people who don&#8217;t appreciate it are the ones who know nothing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan from Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan from Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many excuses... so poor a system.  I actually feel sorry for you.  There was a feature on NPR (yep, I listen to a LOT of US radio every day) recently about the Canadian woman who went to the US for surgery because her life-threatening brain tumor was refused treatment in Canada.  The Republican Party sponsored a bunch of ads which were played for US citizens. Apparently those who are against public health care (most of you, apparently) just loved this story.  The only problem is this: you can go to the Mayo Clinic web site and read the REAL story. She didn&#039;t have a &quot;brain tumor.&quot;  No one has ever been known to die from her ailment.  The surgery was elective.  

My favorite story is the senior who stood up in a town hall meeting to yell, &quot;Keep the government&#039;s hands off my Medicare!&quot;  Oh, THAT is rich indeed.  But it demonstrates the ignorance I&#039;m referring to here. Poor old guy doesn&#039;t even know that Medicare is provided BY the government.  LOL

If Americans are happy with what they&#039;ve got, great.  All I am saying is don&#039;t make your choice in ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many excuses&#8230; so poor a system.  I actually feel sorry for you.  There was a feature on NPR (yep, I listen to a LOT of US radio every day) recently about the Canadian woman who went to the US for surgery because her life-threatening brain tumor was refused treatment in Canada.  The Republican Party sponsored a bunch of ads which were played for US citizens. Apparently those who are against public health care (most of you, apparently) just loved this story.  The only problem is this: you can go to the Mayo Clinic web site and read the REAL story. She didn&#8217;t have a &#8220;brain tumor.&#8221;  No one has ever been known to die from her ailment.  The surgery was elective.  </p>
<p>My favorite story is the senior who stood up in a town hall meeting to yell, &#8220;Keep the government&#8217;s hands off my Medicare!&#8221;  Oh, THAT is rich indeed.  But it demonstrates the ignorance I&#8217;m referring to here. Poor old guy doesn&#8217;t even know that Medicare is provided BY the government.  LOL</p>
<p>If Americans are happy with what they&#8217;ve got, great.  All I am saying is don&#8217;t make your choice in ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Fact-checking the President &#171; Freedom Action Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fact-checking the President &#171; Freedom Action Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And child mortality rates are higher in the US primarily because we try to save many more children via C-section than most countries do when there is problem with the pregnancy. So these babies are more likely to then die than the average newborn, so it drives the mortality rate up. In most other countires these babies would have never been born in the first place, so they never get added to the statistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And child mortality rates are higher in the US primarily because we try to save many more children via C-section than most countries do when there is problem with the pregnancy. So these babies are more likely to then die than the average newborn, so it drives the mortality rate up. In most other countires these babies would have never been born in the first place, so they never get added to the statistic.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theres also an issue of the US system subsidizing the rest of the world. The US creates most of the new drugs and medical technologies which are expensive (we do about 9 times more medical R&amp;D per capita than Europe). Canada, along with all the other national systems, then only adopts these new treaments after they have become wide spread and prices come down. This is why drugs cost less in many other countries. The first pill created costs a billion dollars, the second costs half a cent, so companies are still willing to sell pills to customers in these other countires where price controls exist. But if it were not for the US market where the fixed costs could be recouped, these inovations would have never been created in the first place, and Canada wouldnt have anything more advanced than asprin. Esentially the rest of world is able to keep its healthcare costs down partially because our market pays for all the research and development costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres also an issue of the US system subsidizing the rest of the world. The US creates most of the new drugs and medical technologies which are expensive (we do about 9 times more medical R&amp;D per capita than Europe). Canada, along with all the other national systems, then only adopts these new treaments after they have become wide spread and prices come down. This is why drugs cost less in many other countries. The first pill created costs a billion dollars, the second costs half a cent, so companies are still willing to sell pills to customers in these other countires where price controls exist. But if it were not for the US market where the fixed costs could be recouped, these inovations would have never been created in the first place, and Canada wouldnt have anything more advanced than asprin. Esentially the rest of world is able to keep its healthcare costs down partially because our market pays for all the research and development costs.</p>
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		<title>By: mark l.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one other small(?) point about statistics.

they do not provide a &quot;cause and effect&quot;, otherwise, they would be called &#039;laws&#039;.

the use of &#039;corellations&#039;(which are synonomous with &#039;statistics&#039;) is modern day witchcraft.  we need some people burned at the stake for using them.

the same people who would offer cost, life expectancy, etc. as a means of evaluation, would be equally derisive of someone using iq tests, comparing them to various races, and making BROAD interpetations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one other small(?) point about statistics.</p>
<p>they do not provide a &#8220;cause and effect&#8221;, otherwise, they would be called &#8216;laws&#8217;.</p>
<p>the use of &#8216;corellations&#8217;(which are synonomous with &#8217;statistics&#8217;) is modern day witchcraft.  we need some people burned at the stake for using them.</p>
<p>the same people who would offer cost, life expectancy, etc. as a means of evaluation, would be equally derisive of someone using iq tests, comparing them to various races, and making BROAD interpetations.</p>
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		<title>By: mark l.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have a question for a canadian though...

you produce 3.425 billion barrels of oil a day.
divide by a population of 33 million, and it comes to roughly 103 barrels per citizen/day.

70 dollars a barrel*103 barrels*365 days=

2.631 million usd per citizen.  don&#039;t even get me started on your natural gas revenues.

instead of worrying about the US, I have to ask...

why are the japanese living almost 2 years longer than you guys?  does your healthcare suck, or would you like to look closer at the numbers?

(major snark alert on the above)

statistics in the hands of idiots will produce some idiotic conclusions.

“The majority of Americans are ignorant about health care.” 

the majority of the world is pretty ignorant,*myself included*.  the only problem I have is with people who think they have the answers with a couple of statistics and start taking themselves too seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have a question for a canadian though&#8230;</p>
<p>you produce 3.425 billion barrels of oil a day.<br />
divide by a population of 33 million, and it comes to roughly 103 barrels per citizen/day.</p>
<p>70 dollars a barrel*103 barrels*365 days=</p>
<p>2.631 million usd per citizen.  don&#8217;t even get me started on your natural gas revenues.</p>
<p>instead of worrying about the US, I have to ask&#8230;</p>
<p>why are the japanese living almost 2 years longer than you guys?  does your healthcare suck, or would you like to look closer at the numbers?</p>
<p>(major snark alert on the above)</p>
<p>statistics in the hands of idiots will produce some idiotic conclusions.</p>
<p>“The majority of Americans are ignorant about health care.” </p>
<p>the majority of the world is pretty ignorant,*myself included*.  the only problem I have is with people who think they have the answers with a couple of statistics and start taking themselves too seriously.</p>
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