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	<title>Comments on: The Coming American Crackup ?</title>
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	<description>I believe in the free speech that liberals used to believe in, the economic freedom that conservatives used to believe in, and the personal freedom that America used to believe in.</description>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/13/the-coming-american-crackup/comment-page-1/#comment-318832</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Unless people lose their heads completely over a policy that no one has read and very few people really understand.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s what you don&#039;t understand: this is not fundamentally about the state of American medicine.  That is merely symptomatic.  Nobody who cannot raise their vision above the isolated concrete of medicine is going to grasp the fullest dimensions of the problem under discussion here.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Large-scale military activity to resist a political policy of any sort, of course, would be treason, and we should respond to those advocating treason with all the love and understanding that traitors deserve.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

{laff, laff, laff}  That&#039;s just adorable.  Listen, you: there are people out there right now getting ready to take the bet, because &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; have betrayed them, first.  You want &quot;treason&quot;?  Go look at yourself in a mirror that could show the original American ideal of &lt;i&gt;freedom&lt;/i&gt; in the background.

Keep whistling past the graveyard, with your projections on others.  Good luck with that.  See how far it gets you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Unless people lose their heads completely over a policy that no one has read and very few people really understand.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what you don&#8217;t understand: this is not fundamentally about the state of American medicine.  That is merely symptomatic.  Nobody who cannot raise their vision above the isolated concrete of medicine is going to grasp the fullest dimensions of the problem under discussion here.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Large-scale military activity to resist a political policy of any sort, of course, would be treason, and we should respond to those advocating treason with all the love and understanding that traitors deserve.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>{laff, laff, laff}  That&#8217;s just adorable.  Listen, you: there are people out there right now getting ready to take the bet, because <i>you</i> have betrayed them, first.  You want &#8220;treason&#8221;?  Go look at yourself in a mirror that could show the original American ideal of <i>freedom</i> in the background.</p>
<p>Keep whistling past the graveyard, with your projections on others.  Good luck with that.  See how far it gets you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Franks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Franks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I think I pretty much ruled out the use of force as a viable option.   don&#039;t even think it would come to that.

It just looks like we&#039;ll either have another Convention, and decide to strip the Feds of most of their powers, or we&#039;ll work out a separation n some basis--which might not even recognize current state lines.

But I don&#039;t see how two fundamentally opposed philosophies can continue to try and rule each other from a central center of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I think I pretty much ruled out the use of force as a viable option.   don&#8217;t even think it would come to that.</p>
<p>It just looks like we&#8217;ll either have another Convention, and decide to strip the Feds of most of their powers, or we&#8217;ll work out a separation n some basis&#8211;which might not even recognize current state lines.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t see how two fundamentally opposed philosophies can continue to try and rule each other from a central center of power.</p>
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		<title>By: zone</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/13/the-coming-american-crackup/comment-page-1/#comment-318249</link>
		<dc:creator>zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anger now is infinitesimal compared to what could emerge as result of monetizing the US dept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anger now is infinitesimal compared to what could emerge as result of monetizing the US dept.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/13/the-coming-american-crackup/comment-page-1/#comment-318202</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Treason&quot;?  Well, if this be &quot;treason,&quot; let&#039;s make the most of it.

Treason is a President and Congress contemplating the most nakedly unconstitutional power grab in American history.

Remember, &quot;treason&quot; is an excuse for the winner to hang the losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Treason&#8221;?  Well, if this be &#8220;treason,&#8221; let&#8217;s make the most of it.</p>
<p>Treason is a President and Congress contemplating the most nakedly unconstitutional power grab in American history.</p>
<p>Remember, &#8220;treason&#8221; is an excuse for the winner to hang the losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Transplanted Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transplanted Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please need to calm the f--- down about this. Yes, it&#039;s an important policy debate, but it&#039;s NOT the End Of America As We Know It. Unless people lose their heads completely over a policy that no one has read and very few people really understand.

How and along what lines would a civil war between &quot;collectivists&quot; and &quot;individualists&quot; be fought?  That split doesn&#039;t follow broad geographic groupings like we saw over slavery in the 1850&#039;s. I&#039;m willing to be that if you look at it geographically, the split is roughly, but not exactly, urban-versus-rural, and the balance of population is about equal but it&#039;s all over the place -- and even then, there would hardly be unanimity in any individual place. 

What&#039;s more, the vast majority of the military would have a political preference for one camp over the other, giving that side a big advantage if it comes to blows. Localized acts of violence are one thing. Large-scale military activity to resist a political policy of any sort, of course, would be treason, and we should respond to those advocating treason with all the love and understanding that traitors deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please need to calm the f&#8212; down about this. Yes, it&#8217;s an important policy debate, but it&#8217;s NOT the End Of America As We Know It. Unless people lose their heads completely over a policy that no one has read and very few people really understand.</p>
<p>How and along what lines would a civil war between &#8220;collectivists&#8221; and &#8220;individualists&#8221; be fought?  That split doesn&#8217;t follow broad geographic groupings like we saw over slavery in the 1850&#8217;s. I&#8217;m willing to be that if you look at it geographically, the split is roughly, but not exactly, urban-versus-rural, and the balance of population is about equal but it&#8217;s all over the place &#8212; and even then, there would hardly be unanimity in any individual place. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, the vast majority of the military would have a political preference for one camp over the other, giving that side a big advantage if it comes to blows. Localized acts of violence are one thing. Large-scale military activity to resist a political policy of any sort, of course, would be treason, and we should respond to those advocating treason with all the love and understanding that traitors deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/13/the-coming-american-crackup/comment-page-1/#comment-318168</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a question that occurred to me this morning: at what point do reasonable men take up arms?

I fear we may know the answer soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a question that occurred to me this morning: at what point do reasonable men take up arms?</p>
<p>I fear we may know the answer soon.</p>
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